Miller's new Tig

[tnjind]

Why is this any worse the the econo tig?

[Broccoli1]

Originally Posted by tnjind

Why is this any worse the the econo tig?

It's not. Just sounds worse

[Broccoli1]

Originally Posted by jamscal

Also, the inclusion of a "...for dummies" book is a mistake, from a marketing standpoint at least.

Gonna be a lotta sales of dem books- just no one admitting it

If ya ain't noticed the Diversion twerent' announced on the forum by Miller- they be done wid da Focus group

[Danny]

Originally Posted by tnjind

Why is this any worse the the econo tig?

It offers a better low end DC amperage and draws less power then the Econotig. So I definitely would consider these pluses for this unit over the Econotig.

I dislike a hand operated remote, so I was glad to see that a foot pedal is an optional accessory.

Most of my TIG is DC, and at 110 amps or less, the option of using a smaller 125 amp torch would have been nice.

[Fishy Jim]

Originally Posted by JSWARTZIV

The Diversion 165 is made in Appleton, WI at Miller Electric and is backed by the same True Blue, 3 year warranty as every other Miller product.

Thanks for chiming in.

How much of the content of the machine is Domestic vs Imported? You assembled it here, probably made the sheet metal, but where did the boards come from? GM discloses that right on the sticker.

[Aerometalworker]

Originally Posted by JSWARTZIV

Hello everyone,

I've been reading the posts here on the forum and decided to chime in.

To start, the Diversion 165 was not designed for the industrial customer. It was designed entirely with the personal user in mind. We here at Miller continously hear from endusers that weld on thier own personal projects and ask us for a Miller machine with the same high quality arc as our other inverter TIG machines, but with an easy to use interface and at an economical price (e.g. under $2000). The target market for the Diversion 165 is the personal user that has been primarily using MIG in the past, but more and more they are finding a need for TIG in their projects. They are new to the process, not new to welding.

With regards to the specific applications the Diversion 165 is capable of, that's up to the imagination of the owner. However, I can tell you it has already been used extensively on chromoly tubing for race car chassis, stainless exhaust headers and aluminum oil pans to name just a few, all with great results. If you're worried about how thick you can weld, at 165 amps it has enough output to easily weld 3/16" aluminum. Although the AC output parameters are not adjustable, they are set at the same as the Dynasty 200's default "out of the box" setting. And don't question the quality. The Diversion 165 is made in Appleton, WI at Miller Electric and is backed by the same True Blue, 3 year warranty as every other Miller product. All we've done, is take some of the features out of our industrial products not used by most personal users, to make it easier to operate and more affordable for them to move into TIG.

I hope this explains things. If not, please feel free to contact me personally or post a question here. I'd be happy to answer them.

Thanks,

Thanks for sticking your neck out here, truly shows how Miller cares.
My beef is not with the machine, its with the marketing. As others have stated, there is quite an issue with people doing something beyond their limits of knowlegde and/or experience in certain fields. After being to many trade shows, the welding machine manufacturers in many ways, will push a product to anyone, and from a money standpoint I cant blame them. What gets me is when a welding machine company will push a process, that may be unsafe in certain conditions. Im curious, in this "dummies" welding book, what information does it give on welding materials such as found in aircraft or race cars etc? And who will stand behind the process should it fail?

-Aaron

[triggerman]

Affordable, inverter, non-intimidating, simple, aluminumable , with the book/dvd. I even like the name. Lookit: Johnny Accountant comes home from a long day of crunching numbers and is looking for a little diversion to melt the office away. A Diversion is waiting in the garage. As a welder, it thrills me to think he may be tiggin' instead of playing Halo. Every time Johnny Accountant buys tungsten, argon, flap discs or whatever, your suppliers and mine are a little stronger in the market. Yep, I like it. Thank you Miller for not resting on your laurels.

[c wagner]

Originally Posted by Fishy Jim

Thanks for chiming in.

How much of the content of the machine is Domestic vs Imported? You assembled it here, probably made the sheet metal, but where did the boards come from? GM discloses that right on the sticker.

The computer your accessing this forum with, where was it assembled and where were the parts made, etc..... the fact of the matter is that almost everything has parts from overseas, I think we should be glad that it's even assembled in North America.

Lets face it guys, if you've searched welders on Ebay in the last... well for a long time, you'll notice a whole bunch of genuine Chinese junk. Wouldn't you rather have your fellow new hobby welder buy a piece of equipment that he can buy consumables for and for many years to come. Not to mention 3 years of warranty verses your lucky if the company is still in business.

I think it's a market that Miller needed to enter, the Tig Welding for dummies book... well at least it's an attempt to educate the new user. I wouldn't be too worried though, most won't read it, it's easier to post your question on the internet and have someone else do the research for you!

[kcstott]

I think it has it's place but no one should offer an AC machine with less then 200 amps. It takes skill to weld aluminum along with heat. And a good weldor can get an under powered machine to produce parts just slightly beyond the limits of the machine. Joe blow that is giving welding a spin would play he!! trying to get it to weld aluminum and not having the heat just adds to the frustration.
Yeah I know it can weld small stuff but nine chances out a ten it'll be a piece of 1/4" plate he wants to weld

Miller convert the Syncrowave into an inverter machine oh wait they did it's the Dynasty 200 SD..... Well figure out a way to knock a grand off the price and call it the "Distraction"

[Miller Swartz]

Thanks everyone for taking the time to weigh in. This is definitely your forum and I don't want to take up too much space here, but I do want to address some of the additional questions and concerns that have come up.

1) The Diversion 165 is not only assembled in the U.S., but components like the sheet metal AND the PC boards (the heart of the machine) are made in the U.S. as well. This is no different than any of the other Miller TIG machines.

2) Regarding the torch: Yes, the torch body can be completely replaced. This includes the handle assembly, the remote control pod and of course the standard consumables (this torch utilizes WP-17 sized consumables). And it may sound funny to point out that the hand control is "built into the handle", but prior to this new Weldcraft torch, hand control options were a bulky accessory strapped onto the torch handle.

3) I also see there are some concerns about the "TIG Welding for Dummies book. The content in this book is extensive and covers many topics that are aplicable to even experienced welders. However, like other "...for Dummies" books, we too have taken complicated subject matter and made it easy to read and understand. We by no means cover the specifics on how to do certain projects. Th Diversion 165 is just an affordable tool to allow you to do those projects. There are many personal users that weld professionally that don't want to spend thousands of dollars for their "diversion" they have out in the garage (like that street rod their working on for example). This by no means makes them any less capable of creating complicated weldments. We also make no claims that just because you buy the Diversion 165 , that you will be able to TIG weld overnight. We've just help take away the hurdle of having to learn how to operate the machine, so you can get started on learing/practising the process.

4) Finally, the Diversion 165 is only being sold through welding distributors like all other Miller products. Just as the Millermatic's with "auto-set" make it easier to set the machine and learn to MIG weld, the Diversion 165 helps do the same for TIG. We know it's not the machine for everybody, but it does help open the door for those that want to own their own TIG machine.

Thanks again everyone.