Yes fellas I agree still....It's a load.
But I belive A.C is being used because some FOLKS DONT KNOW HOW TO COUNTER-ACT. ARC BLOW. Think about it... less frequent and not as violent when using A.C.
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Thread: Lincoln/ Miller?
06-04-2007, 09:55 PM #21Senior Member
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06-05-2007, 11:37 AM #22
You must be young?
Absolute statements show absolute ignorance.
Think about it, if Lincoln was so rotten then how/why are they still making and SELLING machines.
In your limited experience with your limited skills you have had better results with Miller, that I would believe.
06-05-2007, 04:38 PM #23
Quite a few line jobs specify the use of 5P+ for the root / hot only, Lincoln's 6010. So I can see how the whole thing could have started out as the manufacturer's recomendations and has evolved into prejudice. I've used most major brands of welding machines including the red and blue generators and found them all to be pretty good, some have different things that make them better in certain ways, but they all work. My preference is blue soley because I am most familiar with blue over my career, most shops I've worked in ran Miller, new and old. The first welding machines I ever used were the lincoln 225 ac buzz box my dad owns, and the ol' grey engine drives.Jonny
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06-05-2007, 04:39 PM #24
Besides, this post asked for opinions didn't it? And by the way, how would you happen to know what level my skills are at anyways? Just curious.
On a different note, I have been thinking about the whole engine drive part of the deal and the thought occured to me that about 80% of the rigs around here are Millers. The TB 302 seems to be exeptionally popular, but of course this they probably aren't used for pipelining and it is a little cooler up here in Canada .Dynasty 200DX, first generationMakita 5" grinder
Makita 14" abrasive sawIR SS5L compressorWhole bunch of hand/air tools.and a wish list a mile long
06-05-2007, 07:45 PM #25
True pipeline used to be all Lincoln Sa200 & SA250. Miller has made inroads in the last 10 years with Big 40, Pro 300 and Pipe Pro. Pipeline is all downhand, 5/32 6010 root with 3/16&5mm 8010 hot pass, filler and cap. It does not matter what brand machine as long as you make the test and have no repairs. Do not try a air cooled engine unless its a Dutez they will not last. (Dutez is so noisey it will get on your nerves after a while) My son is running a SA250 right now in Wisc. for US Pipline. I finished my time out with a 350D Trailblaser. For many years I ran a Big 20 Miller. So getting kicked out because your machine is AC capable is BS. I now work for building trades with a 302G, very good machine. Would it make it on pipline? No, the engine would have a very short life running 3/16 and 5mm every day 10hrs a day 6 days a week.
This is my opinion, just like belly buttons and but holes, everyone has one.
06-05-2007, 08:58 PM #26
06-07-2007, 12:42 PM #27
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I think the OP was just stating his liking Lincoln over Miller
Secondly I was not speaking to your skills I was speaking to your experience, I surmised it by the words you use and the absolute statements you were making . A more experienced fellow would have learned that while he may have a liking for one machine over another he realizes that others can and do preform high quality work with the other machine and have a similar predisposition for that type or brand. So you like the MP-30 good how about telling us why? What makes it better than the MP-99 or the XYZ-123? How are you using it? Is it better suited for just one process or is it multi talented?
06-07-2007, 12:51 PM #28
Thats funny.. .thanks for more explanation, cleared up some more questions I had. We also have several duetz diesels, very loud but have lasted for years.
fatfab your right. As you go across the country different equipment is preferred depending on the region. farm equipment, trucks, construction equipment, utillity equipment and even welders all depends on the dealers in the area usuallyScott
HMW [Heavy Metal welding]
06-07-2007, 01:51 PM #29
I work for Miller, but want to throw out some of the claims that I have heard for the last 18 years and maybe clear some up. To combine the most common comments that I've heard regarding engine drives: Miller is better for gas powered machines and Lincoln for diesels, Miller is better multiprocess, but Lincoln is better for stick, Miller has better electrics, but Lincoln better engine drives.
For the most part, the "long time" welders on cross country pipelines have prodominantly used Lincoln SA's. They typically prefer pre 1969 models and will claim that the arc performance of newer models is not as good. Those are great for 6010 and good for 7018. There is a maintenace factor with the expensive brushes and rack adjustments to tune in the arc as well as needing to turn up amperage throughout the day to keep a constant heat into the weld.
The Miller PipePro is excellent and does weld a bit faster and the PRO 300 really should also be looked at. Its a newer product from Miller but has a low speed CAT engine in it as well as the 6010 AND 7018 arc that pipe guys want.
Both companies make equipment that is going to do great, most of the time its the Ford/Chevy argument. Take a look at what else the machine offers. If it has a awsome stick arc that you need, along with multiprocess capabilities (yes, some day most welders will end up doing wire or tig) and maybe strong generator power, it may have some extra benefits.
As far as going to gas powered or physically smaller machines, those are the standard in most pipe areas accept cross country pipe in the middle/western US. Machines like the Trailblazer and even Bobcat might be physically small, but boast higher outputs and duty cycles than larger heavy diesels like the SA's. For example, a Trailblazer 302 is rated at 300amps at 100% duty cycle, and at 104 degrees. The only thing that limits the output is engine horsepower, not anything else in the machine, so running it wide open all day won't hurt it.
I just wanted to toss out some of the things that I have heard over the years and give you a little info. on the Miller machines. I hope it is helpful. Keep up the great comments and conversations.Have a great day!
Miller Electric Mfg. Co.
Owner and user of:
Trailblazer 302 and Legend 301
Smith Dual Guard oxy-fuel system
Various borrowed Millermatics and Spectrums.
06-07-2007, 04:21 PM #30Guest
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John makes a good point here, I've been using this equipment for over thirty years now, a lot of the old stereotypes are no longer valid, just like the ford/chevy arguments. Over the years, I have owned, used all of the following, and still own and use some of these: Hobart (pre-ITW), Miller, Lincoln, Thermal-arc, Pow-con, and probably a few others I don't remember, primary experience has always been engine drives, but also considerable use of transformers and inverters also.
My conclusion? Everything was capable of doing what it was designed to do, some things may have been better suited for certain applications, but in no case was I ever unable to do something because the machine wasn't able to do what it was advertised to do, no matter what maker or brand.
Most of the time today, the old stereotypes are no longer true, things have changed considerably in the last 20 -30 - 40 years, just like with fords/chevys, the needs have changed, likewise the engineering has changed, there is no similarity today to the products made years ago that the original stereotypes were based on, and it would be a big mistake to base today's purchase decisions on those old beliefs and stereotypes that are no longer valid.