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  1. #11
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    I've thought of that, but a 140 type machine really limits larger wire and work capabilities. Also, I've been told that they really don't hold up to outside type work. It would get drug through allot of crap (literally in many cases!) and I don't think one would hold up very long, making a 12RC or 12VS a more economical decision in the long run. A big plus for the 140 and an extension cord is the proven capabilities on small wire; however, I would be severely limited on the larger jobs.

    I know several people here have used both the RC and the VS and can tell me the low end capabilities of both.

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    Lowest I have been with either is 1/8...no complaints. I see no reson why the RC would have any issues. The VS feeders won't go below 14-15 volts...below that and it won't operate at all. You are also limited to 75' with a RC. Miller doesn't recommend going over that.
    Don


    '06 Trailblazer 302
    '06 12RC feeder
    Super S-32P feeder

    HH210 & DP3035 spool gun
    Esab Multimaster 260
    Esab Heliarc 252 AC/DC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bareback Jack View Post
    ...I've been told that they really don't hold up to outside type work. It would get drug through allot of crap (literally in many cases!) and I don't think one would hold up very long,....
    You should see our ancient MM130. It's got more crap all over it from exclusive outside work than you could imagine. I've drug it or an HH135 more places than I care to describe.

    But the Passport is built into the same Pelican case that the feeders are built into. Granted, it has a fan and a power supply and things that feeders don't, but it'll be even better in extreme environments. And it will also give you the bigger wire capability without the range restrictions of the RC feeder. Just run the exact same extension cord from the 240V aux. power instead of the 120V.

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    DDA52, what do you mean "1/8"? I know that the RC isn't recomended for over 75' away from the machine, but how about that low end of the VS. You say that a VS won't work below 14-15 volts (partially because it derives the power to run from the arc current), so how does this affect the performance running .030 FC? I'm going to need to turn a unit down to do thin stuff as well as cranking it up a bit.

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    Don't get me wrong. If you need a feeder, you need a feeder.

    FWIW, I own/use an ancient Millermatic 80A (dedicated old style 115V RC feeder) as well as a Lincoln LN-25 VS feeder from my TB301G.

    But I do an awful lot of the work you described, and my Passport gets the job first.

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    We have both the RC and VS feeders running off TrailBlazers. I cannot tell the differance in the arc between the two. So we run the VS, one less cable to fool with. 15.5 volts is a low as we can go. We run from .030 70S6 to 5/64 flux core with these feeders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bareback Jack View Post
    DDA52, what do you mean "1/8"? I know that the RC isn't recomended for over 75' away from the machine, but how about that low end of the VS. You say that a VS won't work below 14-15 volts (partially because it derives the power to run from the arc current), so how does this affect the performance running .030 FC? I'm going to need to turn a unit down to do thin stuff as well as cranking it up a bit.

    1/8 as in 1/8" thick material. I haven't ever run any .030 fc.....I don't even think I have done any .035. Mainly .045 and 1/16" FC. The 14 -15 VDC is a hard limit. The motor will not function below that. The new Extreme 12VS is supposed to go down to 14 vdc, but the older ones have a limit of 15vdc. You can cheat and use CC to go a little lower in amperage, but it isn't that much lower. I suppose it is all in how low you want to go......how thin do you need to go? If I have some stock, I'll set one up and try it for you...if it isn't raining. Doesn't seem to do much else lately.


    FWIW, off the top of my head, it would seem that the .035 wire would be a better choice. The .030 would have to be at the upper range to work. IIRC, 14-16 vdc for its range while the .035 begins at 15 vdc. Unless you are doing less than 18 ga, you should be fine with .035.
    Don


    '06 Trailblazer 302
    '06 12RC feeder
    Super S-32P feeder

    HH210 & DP3035 spool gun
    Esab Multimaster 260
    Esab Heliarc 252 AC/DC

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    Ok, I see what you're saying. The only reason I ask is that I'm doing allot of fence building, and it's a pain to keep moving the truck every 50' (that's my cable lengths right now). I figure if I can get out past 100', then it'll save me allot of hastle, but his means going with a VS feeder, not the RC. I was warned about the low voltage limits with the VS and also that the RC gave allot better arc and fed allot better. Aparently this is not the case. I do need good low end for joining 1/8" seet metal, but it looks like this won't be a problem with the VS and .035 FC. Let me know if I'm interpreting your feedback incorrectly.

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    Yeah, I believe we are on the same page. The VS will be a bit more cranky than the RC. It needs good ground and VS clip contact. That can be a pain some days. The RC will work regardless, which will help in some cases, but not enough to say..RC only. I run both and regularly use the VS. The main reason I use the RC is when I will be needing to adjust a lot, mainly when in the air.

    As to the arc, that is all on the TB. It is way better than say a Bobcat, which I have also run with a VS feeder. Much nicer to say the least. I have run solid wire on 1/8 with the VS and really couldn't tell much difference between the RC and VS feeder, except for the grounding issues. I got excellent results with both. You will have more control with teh RC, but once you figure out what you want, it only takes a second to dial in the VS.
    Don


    '06 Trailblazer 302
    '06 12RC feeder
    Super S-32P feeder

    HH210 & DP3035 spool gun
    Esab Multimaster 260
    Esab Heliarc 252 AC/DC

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    That's what I needed to know. I think its going to be more important to get far out than to adjust settings at the feeder. I just needed to know that the VS would not be a true pain. Thanks for the info.

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