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    Smile Equipment is an investment...

    I would not consider Dynasty TIG machines expensive

    Yes a Dynasty costs more than a used transformer machine...

    but the advantages of an advanced inverter like the Dynasty far outweigh the price difference...

    If you are going to earn your living with a TIG welder... then it will pay to buy the best equipment that you can get... just like any other professional..

    in the great scheme of things... over several years ..and thousands of hours of use.. the cost difference of the welding machine ends up being a very small factor.. while the difference in capability is great....

    Sure you can "get by" with less... but the best is a Dynasty...
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    Default tig machine

    I agree with H80H, get the Dynasty 200DX well worth it. A great investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by @cvmechanical View Post
    I agree with H80H, get the Dynasty 200DX well worth it. A great investment.
    Not only that but the Dynasty draws 1/3rd the electricity as the transformer based Syncrowaves. The ROI is all that faster.
    Nothing welded, Nothing gained

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    Quote Originally Posted by raferguson View Post
    A Dynasty is great, but a lot of money. If you want a good basic TIG, without spending a lot of money, it is hard to beat a used Miller Syncrowave 180 or 200. I have owned both, both are good. Both have High Frequency, AC and DC, so you can weld any metal, including aluminum. Both include stick and TIG. The original version of the Syncrowave 180 is arguably better for beginners, as it has minimal controls, three switches and one knob, simple to use. The later version of the 180 (180SD) added an AC balance knob and digital displays. The 200 has lots of bells and whistles, including pulse, which I like for thin copper. The 180 is a little smaller, but both are relatively big and heavy, around 200 pounds. Figure on at least a 50 amp 220V circuit for either welder, which is what I use. Some recommend a 60 amp 220V breaker.

    I bought the 200 for $1300, too good a deal to pass up, and then sold my Synchrowave 180 for $1150. The 180 price that I got was probably higher than average, and the 200 price that I paid was lower than average, so I did very well, paid only $150 to upgrade.

    Anyway, for somewhere between $900 and $1500, you can buy a used Syncrowave 180 or 200, and have a welder that will probably serve all your needs for decades. If you buy used, and you decide you need a bigger or fancier welder down the road, you can get almost all your money back when you sell it. You will take a big depreciation hit if you buy a new welder and sell it later. With these Syncrowaves you can TIG weld any thin metal up to about 3/16 inch, and you can stick weld any steel 1/8 inch or thicker. I used the 180 as a stick welder for months before I got around to buying an argon bottle. Some report that the 180 had a higher than average repair rate, but my original version 180 gave me no trouble.

    Alternatives to a Syncrowave: The Miller Diversion lacks stick. Stick is what you need to weld thick steel. The Dynasty is a great welder, but way too much money unless you have to have easy portability, or need 110V. (Note that a 20 amp 120Volt outlet will only run a welder at very reduced power, so 110V operation is not that great an advantage). If you need portability, you could consider a Thermal Arc 186 AC/DC, maybe half the price of a Dynasty. The Miller EconoTIG looks good on paper, but a Miller factory guy said that it was not that great, that the Syncrowave 180 was a much better machine. Lincoln makes the Square Wave 175, and Precision TIG 225, similar to the Syncrowaves, look for a used Lincoln as a possible alternative. Many if not most inverter welders are DC only, so you can’t TIG aluminum. (Examples: Multimatic 200, XMT series, Maxstar series, the new Thermal Arc multi-process welders, Lincoln V350 and C300, etc.) The Chinese machines from Longevity and Everlast have an attractive price, but resale value, reliability, and support are concerns.

    Note that many inverter welders, such as the Dynasty or Invertec series, do not come standard with a TIG torch, regulator, and foot pedal, so they are even more expensive than they look at first glance. The Syncrowaves come with everything you need except a gas bottle. The welder manufacturers are pushing their high end inverter machines, but it is hard to justify the much higher cost, especially when you can find a used Syncrowave for not much more than $1000. They have sold a lot of Syncrowaves, so you should be able to find a used one if you look.

    Just for comparison, a new Syncrowave 200 retails for $2900, a new Syncrowave 210 retails for $3200, a new Dynasty 200DX with torch, regulator, foot pedal, etc., retails for $5100. On the used market, the Dynasty 200 welders are hard to find, and priced around $3000. The Syncrowaves are easier to find used, and priced right.

    The Syncrowave 250 is an industry classic, a great machine, but big and heavy, and more expensive. It should probably have a 100 amp 220V circuit, especially if you want to get full power out of it. The 250 is just more welder than most folks need, unless you need to TIG 1/4 inch thick aluminum.

    Richard
    Hello Richard,

    I'm new to the forum and tig welding. I just purchased a 2004 Dynasty 200dx from ebay today. Should I return the unit and buy at least an 2008 or newer unit?

    I want to be able to weld aluminum intake piping, stainless steel headers, exhaust, and roll cage piping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarBrightpools View Post
    Hello Richard,

    I'm new to the forum and tig welding. I just purchased a 2004 Dynasty 200dx from ebay today. Should I return the unit and buy at least an 2008 or newer unit?

    I want to be able to weld aluminum intake piping, stainless steel headers, exhaust, and roll cage piping.
    Welcome Aboard!!

    Your concern about the build date... is that about the changes in arc start they call "Blue Lightning"???

    Machines with a serial number LJ280222L and higher are equipped with the improved "Blue Lightning" arc start circuitry

    If yours is earlier... I would not worry about it... there are many thousands of earlier Dynasties in use every day with no problem.. it should do what you want with no issues as long as the machine is in proper working order..
    Cruizer posted some TuneUp ideas a few years back that might be helpful..

    BTW.. I have used both styles of Dynasty 200DX and never noticed a difference in arc starts...

    Congrats on your new purchase.. you will enjoy it....
    a Dyn 200 of any age is an awsome machine..
    That aint your Daddy's Syncrowave...
    Last edited by H80N; 11-23-2013 at 05:40 AM.
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    The more you know, The better you know, How little you know......

    “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

    Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

    My Blue Stuff:
    Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
    Dynasty 200DX
    Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
    Millermatic 200

    TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam..

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    If you do have any sort of budget consider the HTP Invertig 221. I am a previous Dynasty owner(yes I had to replace a board). The HTP is an awesome package. It has a lot more programs than the Dynasty. A fully loaded setup with cart, cooler and all bells and whistles runs around $2800......Miller's version is around $6000. HTP has more amps and a better duty cycle as well as great customer support. Virtually no board problems like the dynasty......I bought mine with Artic chill cooler, 2 gallons of coolant, 25ft torch and foot control.....dual regulator(for purging) ....spare parts kit, t shirt, tig torch holder and some filler for $2863 shipped with a 3 year warranty.
    Quote Originally Posted by H80N View Post
    Welcome Aboard!!

    Your concern about the build date... is that about the changes in arc start they call "Blue Lightning"???

    Machines with a serial number LJ280222L and higher are equipped with the improved "Blue Lightning" arc start circuitry

    If yours is earlier... I would not worry about it... there are many thousands of earlier Dynasties in use every day with no problem.. it should do what you want with no issues as long as the machine is in proper working order..
    Cruizer posted some TuneUp ideas a few years back that might be helpful..

    BTW.. I have used both styles of Dynasty 200DX and never noticed a difference in arc starts...

    Congrats on your new purchase.. you will enjoy it....
    a Dyn 200 of any age is an awsome machine..
    That aint your Daddy's Syncrowave...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyWelder View Post
    If you do have any sort of budget consider the HTP Invertig 221. I am a previous Dynasty owner(yes I had to replace a board). The HTP is an awesome package. It has a lot more programs than the Dynasty. A fully loaded setup with cart, cooler and all bells and whistles runs around $2800......Miller's version is around $6000. HTP has more amps and a better duty cycle as well as great customer support. Virtually no board problems like the dynasty......I bought mine with Artic chill cooler, 2 gallons of coolant, 25ft torch and foot control.....dual regulator(for purging) ....spare parts kit, t shirt, tig torch holder and some filler for $2863 shipped with a 3 year warranty.
    That's nice.... BUT...

    He was asking about a Dynasty that he has just purchased..

    Quote Originally Posted by StarBrightpools View Post
    Hello Richard,

    I'm new to the forum and tig welding. I just purchased a 2004 Dynasty 200dx from ebay today. Should I return the unit and buy at least an 2008 or newer unit?

    I want to be able to weld aluminum intake piping, stainless steel headers, exhaust, and roll cage piping.
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    *******************************************
    The more you know, The better you know, How little you know......

    “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

    Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

    My Blue Stuff:
    Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
    Dynasty 200DX
    Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
    Millermatic 200

    TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyWelder View Post
    If you do have any sort of budget consider the HTP Invertig 221. I am a previous Dynasty owner(yes I had to replace a board). The HTP is an awesome package. It has a lot more programs than the Dynasty. A fully loaded setup with cart, cooler and all bells and whistles runs around $2800......Miller's version is around $6000. HTP has more amps and a better duty cycle as well as great customer support. Virtually no board problems like the dynasty......I bought mine with Artic chill cooler, 2 gallons of coolant, 25ft torch and foot control.....dual regulator(for purging) ....spare parts kit, t shirt, tig torch holder and some filler for $2863 shipped with a 3 year warranty.
    That's nice.... BUT...

    He was asking about a Dynasty that he just purchased..

    Quote Originally Posted by StarBrightpools View Post
    Hello Richard,

    I'm new to the forum and tig welding. I just purchased a 2004 Dynasty 200dx from ebay today. Should I return the unit and buy at least an 2008 or newer unit?

    I want to be able to weld aluminum intake piping, stainless steel headers, exhaust, and roll cage piping.
    .

    *******************************************
    The more you know, The better you know, How little you know......

    “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten”

    Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...

    My Blue Stuff:
    Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
    Dynasty 200DX
    Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
    Millermatic 200

    TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyWelder View Post
    If you do have any sort of budget consider the HTP Invertig 221. I am a previous Dynasty owner(yes I had to replace a board). The HTP is an awesome package. It has a lot more programs than the Dynasty. A fully loaded setup with cart, cooler and all bells and whistles runs around $2800......Miller's version is around $6000. HTP has more amps and a better duty cycle as well as great customer support. Virtually no board problems like the dynasty......I bought mine with Artic chill cooler, 2 gallons of coolant, 25ft torch and foot control.....dual regulator(for purging) ....spare parts kit, t shirt, tig torch holder and some filler for $2863 shipped with a 3 year warranty.
    Thank you JerseyWelder for mentioning this welder. If I am dissatisfied with the dynasty within the two week return policy, I will buy the HTP. It would be reassuring to have a 3 warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H80N View Post
    Welcome Aboard!!

    Your concern about the build date... is that about the changes in arc start they call "Blue Lightning"???

    Machines with a serial number LJ280222L and higher are equipped with the improved "Blue Lightning" arc start circuitry

    If yours is earlier... I would not worry about it... there are many thousands of earlier Dynasties in use every day with no problem.. it should do what you want with no issues as long as the machine is in proper working order..
    Cruizer posted some TuneUp ideas a few years back that might be helpful..

    BTW.. I have used both styles of Dynasty 200DX and never noticed a difference in arc starts...

    Congrats on your new purchase.. you will enjoy it....
    a Dyn 200 of any age is an awsome machine..
    That aint your Daddy's Syncrowave...
    Thank you H80N!

    Yes, my concern was in regards to the blue lighting and also the age of the unit. Any idea on how long I can expect this unit to last?

    I went to my local welding supply store today and purchased tungsten tips for stainless and aluminum, filler rod, and a new Miller welding mask. The unit arrives next Tuesday and I can not wait to start practicing my welds.

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