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  1. #1
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    Default different liners for 0.023-0.045?

    Looking at buying .023 drive rolls and .045.

    Manual for 252 states a new liner should be used.

    Q-Is this really necessary?
    Q-can I use one liner for all sizes?

    Current liner is for .035

    Thanks

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    Well DUHHHH. Can't fit 045 wire into a 023 liner, and 023 will just knot up in a 045 liner

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    I run .035 solid & .045 flux & solid wire through an .045 liner without issues. I tried to run .023 wire through a 10' gun with an .035 liner & had trouble with it. I do have trouble on occasion with .035 flux core in an .045 liner in a 15' gun.
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    Default different liners for 0.023-0.045?

    Cruizer;

    What are the I.D. Of a .023 liner?
    I.D. Of a .045 liner?

    My understanding is that the tolerances are quite loose and could work.

    Anyways just looking to not buy 3 different liners if at all possible

    Thanks for the replies

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericher69 View Post
    Cruizer;

    What are the I.D. Of a .023 liner?
    I.D. Of a .045 liner?

    My understanding is that the tolerances are quite loose and could work.

    Anyways just looking to not buy 3 different liners if at all possible

    Thanks for the replies
    a $15-20 liner is a cheap investment compared to the aggravation you are opening yourself up to by trying to get by...

    Cruizer was on the money...

    you do this for a while and you will end up with a collection of liners and guns ...
    here are some of mine

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    I looked up the .023/.025 15 foot M-25 gun liner for the Millermatic 252. It's Miller Part Number 194-010. The list price appears to be $21.95 for a genuine Miller part and Aftermarket on eBay or Amazon is $6.95.

    I've had people tell me that you can run .023 wire in a .030/035 liner, but it's probably best to use the correct one to avoid bird caging and other potential feeding problems.

    When I got my MM 252, I also ordered the .023 drive rollers and tips. If I ever decide to run .023 wire, I guess I'll have to get the correct liner. For most of my work on my former Lincoln SP 175 Plus, I used .023 and I liked it. On the MM 252 so far, I've been using .030 and it's fine. I may try .023 sometime but there's no rush.
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  7. #7
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    Default different liners for 0.023-0.045?

    Ok

    I will get the .023 rollers and liner and the .045 rollers and liner

    Thanks

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    I use .023 stainless wire through a .035 wire liner without problems, my problem is in the rare occasions that the wire welds itself to the tip then the wire tends to pop from the rollers but that can be fixed by the tension so it slips rather then pops, but from my experience you only HAVE to change liners if you go up to .052 and bigger, I have ran .045 without a problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.W View Post
    I use .023 stainless wire through a .035 wire liner without problems, my problem is in the rare occasions that the wire welds itself to the tip then the wire tends to pop from the rollers but that can be fixed by the tension so it slips rather then pops, but from my experience you only HAVE to change liners if you go up to .052 and bigger, I have ran .045 without a problem
    all this wisdom was gained running how many hundreds or thousands of pounds of wire?? on how many different types of machine?? and how many brands and model of gun??

    there is a big difference between what you can get away with in a pinch and what is a good idea and best practice...

    but why struggle with "make do" when it is so easy just to do it right the first time??

    It never ceases to amaze me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by H80N View Post
    all this wisdom was gained running how many hundreds or thousands of pounds of wire?? on how many different types of machine?? and how many brands and model of gun??

    there is a big difference between what you can get away with in a pinch and what is a good idea and best practice...

    but why struggle with "make do" when it is so easy just to do it right the first time??

    It never ceases to amaze me...
    It never ceases to amaze me that one that is an a$$ on the site he thinks he can do no wrong has to drag his attitude over here and give other people crap
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