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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by big mike View Post
    It called roll out.They offer the new product in one segment of their market and over time include more segments until it's available to all segments.
    I guess you're right. They'd better keep it a deep, dark secret then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by big mike View Post
    It called roll out.They offer the new product in one segment of their market and over time include more segments until it's available to all segments.
    How does that make any sense if retailers like IOC and others are offering it through Ebay and openly on the internet..????...... which is about as universal market as you can find..

    that dog don't hunt....

    No anouncement no literature... very awkward and clumsy... odd to say the least...

    Probably a great little machine but all this mysteriosity sure casts a shadow over it..

    where does it fall in the lineup?? does it compete just below the Dynasty 200DX or is it a minor step up from the Diversion 180??.....

    What distinguishes it as an improvement on the Sync 200 that we would assume it replaces??....
    Last edited by H80N; 07-24-2013 at 08:11 AM.
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  3. #23
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    Definitely an inverter system according to the quick specs page:

    Low Power Draw:
    Inverter-based power source provides full welding output from 230V while drawing less than 30 amps.

    The Synchrowave 200 was rated for 150DC Amps (stick welding) at 40% duty cycle where as this Syncrowave 210 is actually lower rated at 150DC Amps (stick welding) at 20% duty cycle

    Also the welding output range was up to 5-200 amps for DC stick with the Synchrowave 200 and now the output range is only 20-150 amps for DC stick on the Synchrowave 210. Seems like a step in the opposite direction.

    Doesn't look like this could replace my Airco Easy Arc AC/DC 250, so I won't be interested in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clint738 View Post
    Definitely an inverter system according to the quick specs page:

    Low Power Draw:
    Inverter-based power source ...
    Sounds like a good way to "muddy the waters" regarding the distinction between transformer-based versus inverter-based machines.

    Now Syncrowaves are transformer-based ... except where they aren't.

    What's next? A transformer-based Dynasty?

  5. #25
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    Check the Specs page here: http://www.bakersgas.com/MIL907596.html

    Inverter ...simplified controls ... maybe it should be called Diveowave or Syncroversion.
    Last edited by USMCPOP; 07-24-2013 at 01:18 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USMCPOP View Post
    Check the Specs page here: http://www.bakersgas.com/MIL907596.html
    Yup.... saw that yesterday...

    still gives us few specifics... just teases...with wizzbang features...

    memory card??... firmware???

    reminiscent of some of the stuff that was swirling around the aborted Dynasty 280DX introduction

    an operations/owners manual would go a long way to fill in the blanks....
    Last edited by H80N; 07-24-2013 at 01:25 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clint738 View Post
    Definitely an inverter system according to the quick specs page:

    Low Power Draw:
    Inverter-based power source provides full welding output from 230V while drawing less than 30 amps.

    The Synchrowave 200 was rated for 150DC Amps (stick welding) at 40% duty cycle where as this Syncrowave 210 is actually lower rated at 150DC Amps (stick welding) at 20% duty cycle

    Also the welding output range was up to 5-200 amps for DC stick with the Synchrowave 200 and now the output range is only 20-150 amps for DC stick on the Synchrowave 210. Seems like a step in the opposite direction.

    Doesn't look like this could replace my Airco Easy Arc AC/DC 250, so I won't be interested in it.
    I wonder if they did a survey and found out that not that many people actually use the Sync 200 for stick welding and they were losing customers to Thermal arc with the TA186.

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  8. #28
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    The Syncrowave 210 is now in full release. The web page is live on MillerWelds.com or use this direct link to view more details www.millerwelds.com/Syncrowave210 .

    We truly appreciate your interest in the new Syncrowave 210.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller Welders View Post
    The Syncrowave 210 is now in full release. The web page is live on MillerWelds.com or use this direct link to view more details www.millerwelds.com/Syncrowave210 .

    We truly appreciate your interest in the new Syncrowave 210.
    Sounds interesting... when are we going to get details??

    Upgradeable and Expandable
    Front panel memory card data port provides the ability to easily upgrade software and expand product features


    And the Owners/operators Manuals.. released soon????
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    Dynasty 200DX
    Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
    Millermatic 200

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    Default looks a bit odd to me

    Looking at pictures and some of the specs almost seems to be a knock off with blue paint. I will have to stop LWS and see what they know.

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