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  1. #11
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    Default millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    deafman;

    I checked the specs directly from the miller site
    http://www.millerwelds.com/products/mig/product.php?model=M00218

    On the 211,212,252 and all say 3/8 max on aluminum??

    Doesn't make much sense to me! What am I missing?

    I realize duty cycle is much better on 212,252 but I don't do production work so really don't care

  2. #12
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    I don't have any of them nor have I welded with any of them so I'm kind of talking though my hat here. But you did notice in the literature that the 211 is limited to 4043 wire? I think I read on here somewhere that it can't sustain the current for 5356 and do it right. So it depends what and how often and what your budget is. If you are rarely going to weld on aluminum that heavy and 4043 is good for your application then the 211 should suffice. If aluminum is your main reason to upgrade maybe not. Depends what you plan to do and how that changes in the future. Good luck---Meltedmetal

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    I have the 212 (pre Autoset) and I picked it over the 211. I am pleased with it though I have not got a spool gun to do any aluminum.

  4. #14
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    Default millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    http://weldingdirect.com/alwewi.html

    A quick synopsis of different filler wires.

    MeltedMetal; thanks for the heads up with 5356 will look into it further

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    I have yet to see any videos or photos that make me want to buy a spool gun for my 211. What I have seen, the welds looks like crap.

    I really want a spool gun for my 211. If it saves as much time and welds anything like Mig steel does I would be fit to be tied.

    Guess if you think that's what you want, then go for it. Sometimes that's the only way. Well I keep telling myself to go for it also.

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    Default millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    Hardarock40;

    Are you saying that you are not happy with the mig steel welds on the 211?

    "Really want a spool gun for my 211. If it saves as much time and welds anything like Mig steel does I would be fit to be tied."

    If so what's the problem? Have a co-worker that has a business fixing fire equipment and he seems happy with the 211's performance on steel and aluminum with spool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericher69 View Post
    Hardarock40;

    Are you saying that you are not happy with the mig steel welds on the 211?

    "Really want a spool gun for my 211. If it saves as much time and welds anything like Mig steel does I would be fit to be tied."

    If so what's the problem? Have a co-worker that has a business fixing fire equipment and he seems happy with the 211's performance on steel and aluminum with spool.
    Oh no, I love my 211. Ran it on someChurch1.jpg tubing this weekend on some railing that came out great.

    I would skip out on work and go get a spool gun today if I knew it would weld anything like steel does with the 211.

    I actually looked up some more aluminum videos with the spool gun today and what I'm seeing is it can do pretty good after a little preheat, from several runs or other means.

    Most I had seen are people trying it for the first time. So you guys that run it often may be doing great with it.

    That 211 is the stuff as far as I am concerned. With aluminum I just don't know. I have a Tig setup so I'm hesitant about springing for a spool gun. That's all.

    Sorry for the confusion. Crap I attached that right in the middle of a sentence. LOL

  8. #18
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    If its alum you want to weld check Ipm on each machine . You also need to do more than the 4043. If I ever buy one for alum its going to be at least a 252 under sized machine , not enough Ipm , 1 class of wire is probably not going to be the fun and satisfaction your looking for.

  9. #19
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    Default millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    Yeah I did notice the ipm rate on the 211 is 460ipm and the bigger 212-252 are 700+ipm

    I have $1810 saved up so far so either get the 211 now all set up or wait longer (which I can but its hard to) for the 252.

    I don't believe for $500 more before the spool gun addition that the 212 is worth the extra $$

    Guess I have "fine wine taste on a beer budget" lol

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    Default millermatic 211 or 212 or 252

    Not to hijack this thread goin off topic but had anyone used Lincoln's 4047 wire? Suppose to increase silicon , minimize hot crack and higher shear strength than 4043.

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