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  1. #1
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    Default Syncrowave 350LX or Dynasty 350

    Looking for some feedback from the experienced here.

    I'm trying to decide between a Syncrowave 350LX and a Dynasty 350. It will be for the shop but there isn't any production to speak of yet. In each case I'll be looking at the TigRunner Complete. I have experience with the Dynasty but the Syncrowave is about $1188 cheaper.

    Pros and Cons on each will be helpful.

    Thanks.
    Trailblazer® 302 Air Pak™
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    Millermatic 350P Aluminum
    Millermatic® 252
    Syncrowave 351

    SuitCase® X-TREME™ 12VS

    Multimatic™ 200
    Millermatic® 211 Auto-Set™ w/MVP™
    XR-Aluma Pro Gun
    Diversion™ 180

    Spectrum® 625 X-TREME™

    Thermal Dynamics® Cutmaster® 52
    Victor Oxy/Acetylene Set

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    Pros only.

    Dynasty. Half the power draw, thus half the service requirements.
    High speed pulse.
    Independent en,ep setting.
    4 wave profiles. TriWave for beercan welding.
    Smaller utility bills.
    Smaller footprint.

    Synch. Cheaper initial investment.
    Nothing welded, Nothing gained

    Miller Dynasty700DX
    3 ea. Miller Dynasty350DX
    Miller Dynasty200DX
    ThermalArc 400 GTSW
    MillerMatic350P
    MillerMatic200 with spoolgun
    MKCobraMig260
    Lincoln SP-170T
    Linde UCC305 (sold 2011)
    Hypertherm 1250
    Hypertherm 800
    PlasmaCam CNC cutter
    Fadal Toolroom CNC Mill
    SiberHegner CNC Mill
    2 ea. Bridgeport
    LeBlond 15" Lathe
    Haberle 18" Cold Saw
    Doringer 14" Cold Saw
    6 foot x 12 foot Mojave granite

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    A couple of more pros for the Syncrowave

    Proven design for a very long and reliable service life.

    Simple controls for a TIG machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dipsomaniac View Post
    A couple of more pros for the Syncrowave

    Proven design for a very long and reliable service life.

    Simple controls for a TIG machine.
    +1

    Also:

    At 250A:
    • Sync350 has a 90%+ duty cycle
    • Dyn350 has only about a 30% duty cycle.
    (To get down to a 30% DC on a Sync, you're going to need to get up around 400A.)

    Oh, and the Sync has a 30+ year record of proven performance and reliability <shrug>

    Don't try that with a Dynasty boys and girls

    "But wait! We'll save seven cents on the light bill!"

    Quote Originally Posted by shovelon View Post
    TriWave for beercan welding.
    God knows beercan welding keeps us going 9 months out of the year.

    (Heck, you can weld beer cans with a sine wave machine.)
    Last edited by Helios; 03-30-2013 at 10:03 PM.

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    Thanks guys.

    I knew shovelon would go for the Dynasty. I really like the duty cycle of the Syncrowave and the lower investment. As far as power consumption, I guess it's only consuming power when it's turned on. And if that's the case.... It must be making money. Of course with a 1,000 sq ft shop, the smaller footprint of the Dynasty is nice too.

    Hmmm. What to do...
    Trailblazer® 302 Air Pak™
    Miller Dynasty® 350
    Millermatic 350P Aluminum
    Millermatic® 252
    Syncrowave 351

    SuitCase® X-TREME™ 12VS

    Multimatic™ 200
    Millermatic® 211 Auto-Set™ w/MVP™
    XR-Aluma Pro Gun
    Diversion™ 180

    Spectrum® 625 X-TREME™

    Thermal Dynamics® Cutmaster® 52
    Victor Oxy/Acetylene Set

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    Default synchrowave

    have a synchrowave at shop (#11 to be delivered by zane weldcraft) been in use constantly since early to mid 70's. only repairs have been 1 circuit board and foot pedal resistors and replaced foot pedal cable (phisical damage). power hog but absolutely bulletproof machine. (we also have dynasty 200 for small intricate work-been problem free so far) will not be replacing the synchro 300 anytime soon.

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    Dynasty. PROS
    3 phase input current capable. Allows for 1/3rd power bill of tranny tigs.
    Blue Lightning arc start. Set per tungsten size or custom configure start sequence.
    Tungsten life is double of tranny tigs while welding alum.
    Smaller tungstens required.
    Smaller cups required when welding alum, consumes less gas.
    Faster alum puddle formation. Uses less gas.
    Faster alum travel speeds. Uses less gas and power per foot of welds.
    Faster alum welding. Greater productivity per hour of welding. Higher profits.
    John Marcella switched to Dynasty. Better control and prettier welds. Puts out video.
    Up to 5000 pps pulse arc for high speed seam welds on Stainless or any other thin metals.
    Better pulse puddle agitation of syncs annoying 10 pps. All are default and usable until altered slightly.
    18 set and forget memory stations.
    PFC included.
    Default parameters are easy to understand and use right off.
    Less dependence of Helium while welding thick alum.
    Direct replacement to Miller AeroWave.
    ROI incredibly fast unless collecting dust.

    Dynasty Cons
    Higher intitial investment.
    Very light and portable, not theft deterrent.
    Friends will bug you to use your machine.
    Latest technology, learning curve required.

    Syncrowave. PROS
    Heavyweight tranny machine. Somewhat of a theft deterrent.


    Sync CONS
    Last memory only.
    Pulse only up to 10pps, virtually useless for high speed thin wall puddle agitation. Interferes with Autodark hood switching functions.
    Pulls 128 amps input power at full draw on AC welding. Twice that of Dynasty.
    Consumes more power than a Dynasty700.
    PFC is not included. PFC is available as an expensive option.
    Nothing welded, Nothing gained

    Miller Dynasty700DX
    3 ea. Miller Dynasty350DX
    Miller Dynasty200DX
    ThermalArc 400 GTSW
    MillerMatic350P
    MillerMatic200 with spoolgun
    MKCobraMig260
    Lincoln SP-170T
    Linde UCC305 (sold 2011)
    Hypertherm 1250
    Hypertherm 800
    PlasmaCam CNC cutter
    Fadal Toolroom CNC Mill
    SiberHegner CNC Mill
    2 ea. Bridgeport
    LeBlond 15" Lathe
    Haberle 18" Cold Saw
    Doringer 14" Cold Saw
    6 foot x 12 foot Mojave granite

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    Quote Originally Posted by kvwall View Post
    I really like the duty cycle of the Syncrowave and the lower investment.
    If that's the case, you ought to take a look at some of the older stuff like a Miller 330A/BP.

    It goes up to 460A in DC TIG and 435A in AC TIG and to match its Duty Cycle capabilities, you would need a rotating pool of about 15 Dynasty 350s.

    You can also commonly buy one for less than $1000.

    Quote Originally Posted by shovelon View Post
    Syncrowave. PROS
    Heavyweight tranny machine. Somewhat of a theft deterrent.
    Just so I'm clear, you don't think having more than TRIPLE the duty cycle of the Dynasty is a "pro"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shovelon View Post
    Dynasty. PROS
    3 phase input current capable. Allows for 1/3rd power bill of tranny tigs.
    Blue Lightning arc start. Set per tungsten size or custom configure start sequence.
    Tungsten life is double of tranny tigs while welding alum.
    Smaller tungstens required.
    Smaller cups required when welding alum, consumes less gas.
    Faster alum puddle formation. Uses less gas.
    Faster alum travel speeds. Uses less gas and power per foot of welds.
    Faster alum welding. Greater productivity per hour of welding. Higher profits.
    John Marcella switched to Dynasty. Better control and prettier welds. Puts out video.
    Up to 5000 pps pulse arc for high speed seam welds on Stainless or any other thin metals.
    Better pulse puddle agitation of syncs annoying 10 pps. All are default and usable until altered slightly.
    18 set and forget memory stations.
    PFC included.
    Default parameters are easy to understand and use right off.
    Less dependence of Helium while welding thick alum.
    Direct replacement to Miller AeroWave.
    ROI incredibly fast unless collecting dust.

    Dynasty Cons
    Higher intitial investment.
    Very light and portable, not theft deterrent.
    Friends will bug you to use your machine.
    Latest technology, learning curve required.

    Syncrowave. PROS
    Heavyweight tranny machine. Somewhat of a theft deterrent.


    Sync CONS
    Last memory only.
    Pulse only up to 10pps, virtually useless for high speed thin wall puddle agitation. Interferes with Autodark hood switching functions.
    Pulls 128 amps input power at full draw on AC welding. Twice that of Dynasty.
    Consumes more power than a Dynasty700.
    PFC is not included. PFC is available as an expensive option.
    That's a TON of pros. You may have persuaded me in the Dynasty direction. Now I just need a good deal. You selling any used? I could drive down to LA to pick up.
    Trailblazer® 302 Air Pak™
    Miller Dynasty® 350
    Millermatic 350P Aluminum
    Millermatic® 252
    Syncrowave 351

    SuitCase® X-TREME™ 12VS

    Multimatic™ 200
    Millermatic® 211 Auto-Set™ w/MVP™
    XR-Aluma Pro Gun
    Diversion™ 180

    Spectrum® 625 X-TREME™

    Thermal Dynamics® Cutmaster® 52
    Victor Oxy/Acetylene Set

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helios View Post
    If that's the case, you ought to take a look at some of the older stuff like a Miller 330A/BP.

    It goes up to 460A in DC TIG and 435A in AC TIG and to match its Duty Cycle capabilities, you would need a rotating pool of about 15 Dynasty 350s.

    You can also commonly buy one for less than $1000.



    Just so I'm clear, you don't think having more than TRIPLE the duty cycle of the Dynasty is a "pro"?
    Same duty cycle on 3 phase, but anyhow I got the Dynasty700. Wonder why they ashcanned the Syncrowave500?
    Nothing welded, Nothing gained

    Miller Dynasty700DX
    3 ea. Miller Dynasty350DX
    Miller Dynasty200DX
    ThermalArc 400 GTSW
    MillerMatic350P
    MillerMatic200 with spoolgun
    MKCobraMig260
    Lincoln SP-170T
    Linde UCC305 (sold 2011)
    Hypertherm 1250
    Hypertherm 800
    PlasmaCam CNC cutter
    Fadal Toolroom CNC Mill
    SiberHegner CNC Mill
    2 ea. Bridgeport
    LeBlond 15" Lathe
    Haberle 18" Cold Saw
    Doringer 14" Cold Saw
    6 foot x 12 foot Mojave granite

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