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    Cool Flux core wire

    the best flux core wire out there i think is
    fabco hobart xl-71 .045 and the esab 7100 ultra dual sheild.
    co2 is the only gas i think you could use unless you use a
    self sheilding wire but keep in mind this wire is verrrry smoky
    and also this wire i think has to be run on straight polarity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darmik View Post
    the best flux core wire out there i think is
    fabco hobart xl-71 .045 and the esab 7100 ultra dual sheild.
    co2 is the only gas i think you could use unless you use a
    self sheilding wire but keep in mind this wire is verrrry smoky
    and also this wire i think has to be run on straight polarity.

    I reeeeeaaaaalllllyyy don't think he will be using that wire in a 100a, 120v MIG unit.
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    Esab Dual Sheild 7100 Ultra and Lincoln Outshield 71M are flux core wires (minimum dia of 0.035) meant to be used with gas, especially steel mix in 75/25 Argon/CO2 Ratio. The amperage and voltage reguirements to run this wire properly will put it in machines like the MM DVI (on 220V) and larger.

    To use true gasless flux core, IMHO, you need to use that in a machine meant to run that way. I have used some of this type wire in my MM200, to get by until I got regular wire or Esab/Lincoln Gas/Flux back in the machine, put it only worked by running REVERSE POLARITY.

    I think you should invest in a bigger and better machine, like the MM210, get some 75/25 Steel Mix and some Lincoln Outshield 71M in 0.035. Keep some Hobart ER-70S in 0.030 around for lighter work. If you need even smaller wire, get that wire, the proper size rollers and an extra gun lined for the smaller wire for a quick change over.

    I only run 0.035 and 1/8" is the lightest thing I ever weld. Most of the time, its 1/4" to 3/8" with an ocassional 1/2".
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDA52 View Post
    I reeeeeaaaaalllllyyy don't think he will be using that wire in a 100a, 120v MIG unit.
    then he can use .035
    before we speak we should think if you know that you cant use .045 dont you think sence says try .035 duh

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    Ok, I will ignore the obviously childish poke and let you look at it this way. The original question was regarding a 100a 120v MIG unit. Since .035 gas shielded flux core has a range of 23-28 vdc and amperage range beginning at 125 amps, his machine would never even begin to run the stuff........so why bring shielded flux core up?

    It looks like I did use some sense and actually know the parameters of the wire in question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDA52 View Post
    Ok, I will ignore the obviously childish poke and let you look at it this way. The original question was regarding a 100a 120v MIG unit. Since .035 gas shielded flux core has a range of 23-28 vdc and amperage range beginning at 125 amps, his machine would never even begin to run the stuff........so why bring shielded flux core up?

    It looks like I did use some sense and actually know the parameters of the wire in question.
    I gotta agree, and I think that for that machine why use any exotic wire when .030 Hobart fabshield 23 is fine and readily available. If he wants to run .035 then Lincoln 211 is available in 4" rolls from the big box stores.
    Regards, George

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    Yup, .030 is what he should be using. That would get the max benefit from that machine.


    George, are you still using Fab 23??? Haven't we gotten you away from the darkside and into Fab 21B yet??? The 21B is much better than the NR211-MP even. I was putting down some serious beads on columns with some 1/16 21B on my shop last weekend. We really need to get you away from the darkside...aka the 71T-GS wire and into some 71T-11 wire...the lightside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDA52 View Post
    Yup, .030 is what he should be using. That would get the max benefit from that machine.


    George, are you still using Fab 23??? Haven't we gotten you away from the darkside and into Fab 21B yet??? The 21B is much better than the NR211-MP even. I was putting down some serious beads on columns with some 1/16 21B on my shop last weekend. We really need to get you away from the darkside...aka the 71T-GS wire and into some 71T-11 wire...the lightside.
    Ok, after xmas (got enough .045 211 to last till Jan next year) but I will see if my LWS has some 21B, don'tcha feel all warm & fuzzy now
    Regards, George

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDA52 View Post
    Ok, I will ignore the obviously childish poke and let you look at it this way. The original question was regarding a 100a 120v MIG unit. Since .035 gas shielded flux core has a range of 23-28 vdc and amperage range beginning at 125 amps, his machine would never even begin to run the stuff........so why bring shielded flux core up?

    It looks like I did use some sense and actually know the parameters of the wire in question.
    Since you know so MUCH...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Darmik View Post
    Since you know so MUCH...



    • 30-100 amps output for welding on light to medium thickness materials.
    (• For welding .035" flux-cored wire) and .023-.030" solid MIG wire (solid MIG wire requires installation of K610-1 MIG Conversion Kit and supply of shielding gas).


    Enough said Darmik
    I don't think so dude....you need to get your facts straight.

    There is a huge difference between Dual shield flux core and self shielded flux core. YOU quoted XL-71 and Esab Ultra 7100. They are dual shield wires as you stated. They require WAY more voltage than that little unit could ever produce. That is a fact. If you are so sure you are right, call up Lincoln and get them to tell you since you don't believe what you are reading.

    Here are the numbers again.....Hobart XL-71 in .035 has a range that starts at 23 volts and 125amps and goes up to 28 volts and 225 amps. Lincoln Outershield 71M has a range of 20-32 vdc and 90-195 amps. In contrast, the self shielded NR-211MP, which is the wire Linc was referring to in the page you quoted, has a range of 14-16.5vdc and 30-120 amps. THAT is the range of the machine in question, not the others. Now, it may look like the unit would run the 71M wire on paper...BUT anyone who has run that wire will tell you that it gets very jumpy down low. It acts up something terrible. Dual shield wires are meant to be run hot and hotter, not at the lower end.

    This is a totally stupid arguement anyway. Linc would never say that a low end machine would be capable of running a 71T-1/9 wire. When thay talk about flux core, they are talking about NR-211, a 71T-11 wire. That is the wire they mean and they probably even spell it out on the door chart as NR-211MP or 71T-11. They usually won't add a dual shield wire to a door chart until you hit the 251/255 class machines. They have the voltage necessary to run those wires.
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