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    Cool Water Cooled Torch VS. Air cooled

    Hello all, I am new to the forum so still learning my way around. I work at a Ship Repair Facility. I am in logistical support and make most of the purchases of Industrial Plant Equipment. I am currently in the process of putting together a purchase for a new XMT 456 CC/CV set-up. What are the advantages of a water cooled torch to an aircooled set-up? Our workers have been using air cooled for some time and i am told that i should try and get them to start using water cooling. We do welding processes on board ship as well as in the shop. As I am not a welder by trade, i am requesting the experts out there to chime in on this for me. Thanks alot.
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    I found that we use less shielding gas because welding was continuos and the tungsten alloy electrodes last much longer for TIG torches.
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    You have to look at functionality as well as cost when considering water vs air cooled. The water cooled torches will handle way more amperage for a given size than air cooled but are a lot less portable. Not only do you have to consider moving a 50 lb plus welder around, but also the 30lbs or more of cooler.

    Maybe water cooled for the shop but air cooled for on sight/in ship work would be a good compromise?
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    Red face watercooled vs air cooled torch

    Appreciate the replies. As i am buying the XMT 456 for shop use, i will probably go with the water cooled. We use a couple of Japanese branded welders for shipboard work as well as Thermal Arc products. The Pro-Wave 300TSW is a good portable welder as it only weighs in at 79 lbs. I am currently waiting for a couple of distributors to contact me with quotes for the XMT 456...this looks to be a good multi process rig. Thanks again for your replies. cheers and beers!

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    http://www.stoodyind.com/Catalogs/FI...05catpg157.pdf

    http://www.millerwelds.com/pdf/spec_sheets/DC18-8.pdf

    Please dig into the data on these machines, they are VERY different.
    The pro wave is rated at 300 amps and 25% duty cycle. The XMT 456 is 300 amps at 60% duty cycle. For the welder it translates into arc on time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcloonan View Post
    Hello all, I am new to the forum so still learning my way around. I work at a Ship Repair Facility. I am in logistical support and make most of the purchases of Industrial Plant Equipment. I am currently in the process of putting together a purchase for a new XMT 456 CC/CV set-up. What are the advantages of a water cooled torch to an aircooled set-up? Our workers have been using air cooled for some time and i am told that i should try and get them to start using water cooling. We do welding processes on board ship as well as in the shop. As I am not a welder by trade, i am requesting the experts out there to chime in on this for me. Thanks alot.
    cheers and beers to all
    The air cooled torches are larger.
    The air cooled torches use more expensive gas.
    The air cooled torch makes hissing noise when in use.

    The water cooled torches are smaller.
    The water cooled torch stays cooler and the electrodes last longer.
    The water cooled torch uses less gas.
    The water cooled torch can use a gas lens, and get better gas coverage.
    A water cooled torch is quieter. No noise from the gas rushing out.



    Can't imagine NOT having a water cooled torch.

    Forget multi process. Takes too long to change around all of the components .

    Use the 456 for MIG .
    Have some SMAW stick DC welding machines. Good smooth ones.
    Have a dedicated TIG (Miller or Lincoln) machine for aluminum and stainless weldments.

    I have been welding all my life and mostly around boats.
    I have built 3- 35 steel foot boats from start to finish and worked next to major boat yards.

    BTW...you need to get some expert welding advice. NOT SALES people.

    Logistics buying welding equipment no,no no.
    But since you are in logistics make sure to have wheels on everything in a shop. It is easier to clean.
    And every shop needs to have at least one hour per week for clean up. And EVERYONE must clean something.

    At least YOU (BCLOONAN) are on this forum trying to get it right, and i give you a lot of credit for that.

    ALSO: If you are working on aluminum boats the shops up in Washington state know a lot about welding machines and spool guns and wire feed for aluminum boat construction and repair.
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    XMT 456 is 450 amps at 100% duty cycle.
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    [QUOTE=Donald Branscom;258048]The air cooled torches are larger.
    The air cooled torches use more expensive gas.
    The air cooled torch makes hissing noise when in use.

    The water cooled torches are smaller.
    The water cooled torch stays cooler and the electrodes last longer.
    The water cooled torch uses less gas.
    The water cooled torch can use a gas lens, and get better gas coverage.
    A water cooled torch is quieter. No noise from the gas rushing out.



    I use gas lenses on my air cooled torch all the time. Both torch types have there place.15 cfm is 15cfm whether air or water cooled. The electrodes last longer ? BS . Also I use the same argon in both my air and water cooled set-up , it doesn't cost any more for either one and my lws doesn't ask if I'm buying the expensive air cooled torch argon or the cheaper water cooled torch argon. Where do you get this stuff ?
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    Thats what I would like to know too. Argon is Argon,What hissing noise? Both torches can use a gas lense and can put out the same gas coverage.And why is a water cooled torch quieter exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Showdog75 View Post
    .15 cfm is 15cfm whether air or water cooled.
    Not when you have post flow and pre-flow of shielding gas after each stop and wait period with an air cooled TIG torch versus continuous welding with a water cooled torch...lol

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