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  1. #1
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    Default Buying a mig welder....which one for me?

    Hello, I am a autobody guy and I need to buy a mig welder that I can use to fix my car, along with that, I'd like for it to handle projects I'd like to tackle like building a frame for a go-kart, a rotisserie (if that's how you spell it), etc. I have been mig welding for almost three years, as the job presents itself at work, not continously. I found a combination welder that I might fork out the money for, it says its ...http://store.schumachermart.com/93300.html<<< i found one for about a grand. What I'm confused about is that it says,

    "The 93300 is an inverter based DC stick, MIG, and TIG welder. Itís capable of using welding electrodes up to 5/32-inch for stick welding, and welding wires from .024-inch through .045-inch for MIG welding. It is also is capable of TIG welding on DC for stainless, and mild steel - 3 welders in one."

    What does 'inverter based' mean? This is a $3700 welder and its brand new in box for a grand, should i spend the money or just get a good mig welder for now and maybe invest in another tig welder later? It doesnt come with the tig torch or pedal, and I dont think it comes with the stick welder gun either. I dont think I'd be using a stick welder, I'm just facinated with tig welding and I'd like to try it. Other than this welder, I'm looking at the miller 180s, and the hobart handler 187, for some reason, I'm just interested in Lincoln welders, but Im open to suggestions. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance.
    Jimmy

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    Hi Jim. Youre asking about mig welders.I'm in the autobody field ,doing auto restoration and customizing work. At work I use a Miller autoarc 135..it covers a wide range of welding from sheetmetal to 1/8 inch plate no problem. at home I have a 155 amp miller and a Millermatic 250dx . The 250 will weld anything automotive related that I think you would want to do,I've got the spoolgun so itll even do aluminum. A 200 amp machine should cover most automotive type welding from sheetmetal to doing some frame fab work in my opinion.....Good compromise between all out heavy duty and lightweight.Just my opinion. Hope it helps a little Jim uhohjim1@aol.com

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    Schumacher welders are made at Schumacher owned/operated plants in Mexico or China. Don Schumacher, the drag racing legend, is the CEO of the company. From what I've heard (take with a grain of salt) Schumacher welders are among the better of those made offshore.

    The model you're looking at is a 250A multiprocess welder that produces DC current only. "Multiprocess" implies that it can selectively produce constant current (CC) for GTAW/SMAW or constant voltage (CV) for GMAW. It should be ok for GTAW of mild steel or stainless with the appropriate shielding gas, but it will not GTAW aluminum since it does not produce AC.

    Unlike older transformer based welders, it depends on inverter technology that uses silicon rectifiers to convert 230v AC to high amperage DC current capable of melting metal. An inverter based power supply is inherently more efficient than one based on a transformer when it comes to using electricity (lower utility bills). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welding_power_supply for more info on this.

    I have a Miller multiprocess welder and am excessively happy with it. $1000 sounds like a killer price on the one you're looking at compared to new, but that's all I can say. Hope this was of some use to you.
    Miller XMT-350 CC/CV
    Miller S-22A wirefeeder
    Bernard 400A "Q" gun
    Miller 30-A Spoolmatic w/WC-24
    CK 210 & WP-18 GTAW torches
    Hypertherm Powermax 30
    O/A Rig, Enco 4x6 bandsaw, etc.

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    Default ....

    Thanks for the replies both jim and dmaxer, the welder i listed is actually still new in box never used, I understand what you said jim, thats what Im shooting for, something in between all out and a basic welder. Jim, what do you think about this welding machine? Or should i just look for maybe even a used miller? Thanks alot for the response guys.
    jim

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    I don't see how you could go wrong as long as the freight is not too high and they get it to you undamaged.
    Is there any warranty with it?
    Sounds good...does it have the feeder and gun etc?

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    freight is going to be 140, and it comes with the mig gun etc, look at the link i wrote, it says everything it comes with, notice how they want 3700 for it at the schumacker site.

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    You should be able to connect a spool gun to the Schumacher for welding aluminum, though I don't know which spool gun model, adapters, weld controls, etc. If I were you I'd inquire what sort/brand of foot pedal voltage control (GTAW) and spool gun (GMAW) will attach to the Schumacher welder and price them (OEM or after market) before I bought the welder. Also, would a spool gun require a weld control module? If so what type/price? Compare the prices to Miller, etc. It's good to know the answers before taking the leap.

    Along these lines, what kind of GMAW (MIG) gun comes with the Schumacher welder? Where can you buy consumables (tips, nozzles, liners, etc.) and how much do they cost compared to Miller or others?
    Miller XMT-350 CC/CV
    Miller S-22A wirefeeder
    Bernard 400A "Q" gun
    Miller 30-A Spoolmatic w/WC-24
    CK 210 & WP-18 GTAW torches
    Hypertherm Powermax 30
    O/A Rig, Enco 4x6 bandsaw, etc.

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    i would first make shore its a legit listing. some times too good to be true is just that.
    after that look to see it uses standard consumables with the MIG gun. the TIG torch should be no problem as they have different types of connectors to let you hook up what you need. foot control might be an issue ?? check with SSC, they make after market and may well be able to make one for you if they don't cary one.. then get to welding.
    if i was looking for a Miller MIG for auto work i would look for a MM210 or 212 . it will cover every thing you need even frame work and will do all the home projects you listed. my next choice would be the HH210.
    let us know how it all comes out and what you end up with. looking forward to seeing your projects.
    thanks for the help
    ......or..........
    hope i helped

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    Default Ditto

    I have a schumacher battery charger from WW@,Well close,Still works great,,
    As Fun said,,when its to good to be true,it IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!,Have you talked to the guy on the phone,,gives ya a hint if hes for real,and what type of guy,make up the old battery charger,to get him talking,,I do have one that old,and allways work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Good Luck,Jack

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    Dmaxer, the multipurpose welder you have that you're referring to, is that the mxt you have listed in your post? I've seen several of these used which seem to be in great condition for sale anywhere from 450-900, I would rather spend 900 on a used miller than on a new "X-brand". Thanks for all the responses, also, I emailed the schumaker site and still have no reply, i wrote them friday afternoon so I may not get one untill monday, but it makes me kind of nervous. Thanks again guys.

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