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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by aametalmaster View Post
    Got a 220v plug in your garage? I am only 4 hours away and my welders fit real nice in my GEO Metro...Bob
    I have 220 and 480. It is a 3 spade similar to a dryer. I am home on the weekends and in the shop!
    Modern Metalworking L.L.C
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  2. #12
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    Default My 2 cents . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by tacmig View Post
    Hey there,

    Not to stir the pot but this is not a matter of if you agree, disagree or stand indifferent but rather a matter of fact. I'm not to sure what you mean by "Learned recognized skills" to the layman I guess a " Learned recognized skill" would be learning through recognition such as a baby learns to talk, walk and do things as others do through seeing them "recognition". But where I come from it's a vocational skill and/or trade. Swimming and the like carries an inherent risk, however, if negligence in instruction can be shown, yes the swimming instructor can be liable especially should said student apply those tought skills for hire causing harm to a 3rd party. Remeber it's not the student that will sue! A third party will claim harm to any entity directly and even indirectly to establish negligence. Hence, should poor instruction be utilized it would, will and can be used. This is regardless of the students intent!

    O.K. that's 4 cents now!

    TacMig
    Must take you hours to get out of your driveway . . . I thought I was the cautious type . . .

    My use of "Recognized skill" would be one that the average person would recognize as a skill ie . . carpentry, brick mason. Now on the other hand if you were operating a bomb school teaching classes that were highly specialized and most of your curriculum were based on your "learned" experience, you may have a problem. But then your student would not be around to tell them you were the idiot that instructed him. Now you are home free. On the other hand I doubt seriously you can find ONE SINGLE case where a welding instructor was sued due to poor quality welds made by one of his students.

    Also, I have included the link to an excellent spell checker you may find useful . . .
    Millermatic 251
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  3. #13
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    Smile My apology to Tacmig . . .

    My apology to Tacmig . . . I had not noticed you were from southern California . . . I lived there for 6 years . . . You guys will sue if your bathwater is not the temperature you "feel" it should be . . .

    Again my apology . . .
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    Another thing I learned today from my brother-in-law who is still in school and goes to the vocational school I went to 15 years ago told me that they discontinued the welding class there 2 years ago. This is sad because they also did a lot with adult education in that field. So what is a person to do if they want to learn about the welding process and does not want to spend the time or $$ to go to a community college for a semester. You mention the word college to some people and they freak out and want nothing to do with it. I'm not saying these people are not intelligent, but we all know someone like that. I have good backround and I just think that your neighbor might want to learn to weld that wagon back together but everytime he tries he blows a hole in it or it just breaks off. We have all been there and or know someone who has. Justs saddens me to see a good program at county vocational school let welding go. It's a great skill to have I just see it as well as many skilled trades getting tossed aside.
    Modern Metalworking L.L.C
    Blissfiled, MI
    517-605-9481

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  5. #15
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    Default You guys? Spelling?

    Quote Originally Posted by WACKO WELDER View Post
    My apology to Tacmig . . . I had not noticed you were from southern California . . . I lived there for 6 years . . . You guys will sue if your bathwater is not the temperature you "feel" it should be . . .

    Again my apology . . .
    First, be careful you said "you guys" implying me. I've never sued anybody in my life although I probably should have on a few occasions. Second, my spelling? I have never used a spell checker and consider my spelling very good along with my choice of words (vocabulary) and structure. For example; when you say "my apology to Tacmig" implies you are addressing a group instead of directing your intent to your subject (incorrect structure for letter form). Correct structure is: My apology TacMig. I could go on here but it's not in the best interest of this forum nor do I engage anyone on a personal level. Hence, I would ask you to consider doing the same. My original post was to simply make the thread author aware of additional elements in which he/she may want to consider prior to choosing a direction in which to go. After all, that's what this forum is all about. Challenging others opinions and commenting on their spelling is not helpful and does not help the thread author.

    Happy welding.

    TacMig
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    if you were to "show" someone the basics of welding and then turned them loose on the world..would the phrase..."i think you could make a good weldor..you should, before you do any public work, go take a government test...pass it ...and start a company and have a certified welding engineer on retainer"

    other than that...have fun!

  7. #17
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    Default Excuse me . . .

    I thought you were being funny . . . as to the spell checker . . . I have found an excellent one that was designed to work on WEB based text and best of all it is free . . . .

    Take care,
    Steve (aka Wacko Welder )
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    Default Ohhhh...

    Quote Originally Posted by WACKO WELDER View Post
    I thought you were being funny . . . as to the spell checker . . . I have found an excellent one that was designed to work on WEB based text and best of all it is free . . . .

    Take care,
    Steve (aka Wacko Welder )
    I'm always being funny. Life is to short for anything else! I just like to keep people on their feet.

    TacMig
    We depend On:
    Miller | Esab | Lincoln | Fronius
    Baileigh | Drake | Eagle | Knuth
    Victor | Harris | Smith | Bessey
    Snap-On | Hilti | Ingersoll Rand
    Burco/Koco | Onan | BobCat
    Tracker | Infratrol | AmeriCast

    We belong to or support:
    American National Standards Institute
    American Welding Society
    The Welding Institute
    Fabricators & Manufacturing Association Int'l.

    Anderson & Co. LLC
    Metal Cr
    afters

  9. #19
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    sounds like a good thing until you mention "liability" then it gets scary.the only way i guess to go is have your student sign a release form and stress that you are giving basic instructions and in no way are you certifying there ability.i would sell welding instructing cd's there is where the money is at.good luck
    my ability is limited by me only.

  10. #20
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    Default I have been known to teach

    I was approached by a college back home to instruct (neither one of my degrees is in welding), but I turned it down . I have taught quite a few various aspects of welding. These were all other welders (yes we teach each other the tricks we know) or helpers that actually wanted to learn (some of them don't). In commercial construction everybody tests, so the skills are proven. Residential is a different story, most especially around here. Until January of this year there was no building code and you wouldn't believe some of the screwball calls I get, even from supposedly licensed contractors. You also wouldn't believe all of the calls I get wanting me to fix the booboo's of the very same types you want to turn loose on the world. You ought to hear the screams when they hear the price, LOL.

    I do own the company, and no there is no certified welding engineer. In commercial work everything is done from prints which must be drawn up by a state licensed architect or engineer. You can't get a permit without them.

    Yes I will teach someone who wants to learn, but they have to hire on as a helper and work for the privilege of learning (it's called apprenticeship) and if they work hard, pay attention and practice lots and lots they will eventually make a welder. Otherwise it is much cheaper to pay me to do it as my rates for teaching the guys with a mig pac are double my hourly rates for welding. It's usually a really big headache between tv and the little booklets they get with the machine.
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    Do it right, do it once. And in all things ya get what ya pay for.

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