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  1. #1
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    Default Anyone try instructing???

    I went out today handing out my business cards as you all advised me to do at every business in town and had some great reponses from people! I was thinking..... There has to be a market to teach that person who went to TSC and bought a 115V wire feed and can't figure out how to lay a good bead. I think I could put an ad in the paper for 1on1 basic welding instruction for that weekend tinkerer???? Anyone tried it or have any thoughts?? I have taught several people how to weld and they all turned out to get real good at it. I believe I could teach anyone to properly set up a machine and lay nice beads. I would even give some quick classroom on how the weld process works. Nothing crazy or extensive just a intro to teach them to do it. What y'all think???
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    Default Me teach...??

    The only problem with your proposal is that; if you charge people for instruction you have just created a liability for yourself. Regardless of how well you instruct others, doesn't compare to a courtroom chair. While your student set off in the sunset to begin his welding career he came a cross an opportunity to fab some strong pipe because he was giving the GC a real good price. After about 7 months under load the welds failed injuring one occupant and causing more than 50K in structural damages. And your student says to the investigator "well that is how I was thought" Wam--Ohhhh..

    Just my 2 cents...

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    Smile Want fly . . .

    Should be won't fly . . . .

    Learned recognized skills can not fall back on the instructor. If that were the case, we could all sue our driving instructors should we ever get a ticket or have an accident. Also, lets sue swimming instructors on behalf of our drowned love ones . . . .

    What you teach and how the student applies are two entirely different things . . .

    Now I will agree liability would apply should your employee do something that caused injury. But they are not suing you because you trained him improperly, only that he is an extension of your company and regardless of why he screwed up, you are responsible.

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    Default

    My question is do you want to make beadrunners or welders?
    Or better yet how far do you want to take them

    Not trying to put it down just curious to the extent

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    if you were close to western ny id pay ya to teach me.. always willin to learn from anyone..

    its a good idea.. i wish more guys were like you ... i bet there would be a boost in the "who wants to be a welder"

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by shott8283 View Post
    if you were close to western ny id pay ya to teach me.. always willin to learn from anyone..

    its a good idea.. i wish more guys were like you ... i bet there would be a boost in the "who wants to be a welder"
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    Quote Originally Posted by WACKO WELDER View Post
    Should be won't fly . . . .

    Learned recognized skills can not fall back on the instructor. If that were the case, we could all sue our driving instructors should we ever get a ticket or have an accident. Also, lets sue swimming instructors on behalf of our drowned love ones . . . .

    What you teach and how the student applies are two entirely different things . . .

    Now I will agree liability would apply should your employee do something that caused injury. But they are not suing you because you trained him improperly, only that he is an extension of your company and regardless of why he screwed up, you are responsible.

    Wacko Welder . . . .
    Hey there,

    Not to stir the pot but this is not a matter of if you agree, disagree or stand indifferent but rather a matter of fact. I'm not to sure what you mean by "Learned recognized skills" to the layman I guess a " Learned recognized skill" would be learning through recognition such as a baby learns to talk, walk and do things as others do through seeing them "recognition". But where I come from it's a vocational skill and/or trade. Swimming and the like carries an inherent risk, however, if negligence in instruction can be shown, yes the swimming instructor can be liable especially should said student apply those tought skills for hire causing harm to a 3rd party. Remeber it's not the student that will sue! A third party will claim harm to any entity directly and even indirectly to establish negligence. Hence, should poor instruction be utilized it would, will and can be used. This is regardless of the students intent!

    O.K. that's 4 cents now!

    TacMig
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    Default My 2 cents . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by tacmig View Post
    Hey there,

    Not to stir the pot but this is not a matter of if you agree, disagree or stand indifferent but rather a matter of fact. I'm not to sure what you mean by "Learned recognized skills" to the layman I guess a " Learned recognized skill" would be learning through recognition such as a baby learns to talk, walk and do things as others do through seeing them "recognition". But where I come from it's a vocational skill and/or trade. Swimming and the like carries an inherent risk, however, if negligence in instruction can be shown, yes the swimming instructor can be liable especially should said student apply those tought skills for hire causing harm to a 3rd party. Remeber it's not the student that will sue! A third party will claim harm to any entity directly and even indirectly to establish negligence. Hence, should poor instruction be utilized it would, will and can be used. This is regardless of the students intent!

    O.K. that's 4 cents now!

    TacMig
    Must take you hours to get out of your driveway . . . I thought I was the cautious type . . .

    My use of "Recognized skill" would be one that the average person would recognize as a skill ie . . carpentry, brick mason. Now on the other hand if you were operating a bomb school teaching classes that were highly specialized and most of your curriculum were based on your "learned" experience, you may have a problem. But then your student would not be around to tell them you were the idiot that instructed him. Now you are home free. On the other hand I doubt seriously you can find ONE SINGLE case where a welding instructor was sued due to poor quality welds made by one of his students.

    Also, I have included the link to an excellent spell checker you may find useful . . .
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    Smile My apology to Tacmig . . .

    My apology to Tacmig . . . I had not noticed you were from southern California . . . I lived there for 6 years . . . You guys will sue if your bathwater is not the temperature you "feel" it should be . . .

    Again my apology . . .
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    Another thing I learned today from my brother-in-law who is still in school and goes to the vocational school I went to 15 years ago told me that they discontinued the welding class there 2 years ago. This is sad because they also did a lot with adult education in that field. So what is a person to do if they want to learn about the welding process and does not want to spend the time or $$ to go to a community college for a semester. You mention the word college to some people and they freak out and want nothing to do with it. I'm not saying these people are not intelligent, but we all know someone like that. I have good backround and I just think that your neighbor might want to learn to weld that wagon back together but everytime he tries he blows a hole in it or it just breaks off. We have all been there and or know someone who has. Justs saddens me to see a good program at county vocational school let welding go. It's a great skill to have I just see it as well as many skilled trades getting tossed aside.
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