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    Quote Originally Posted by b-footn View Post
    I had a welding partner in a fab yard with a Vantage machine. We would set up in the morning, and we used both machines interchangeably. It didn't really matter which machine or what size pipe, as both of our remotes could handle the difference without going back to the rig.



    I'm specifically replying to the question about the 7 range selector machines that Wicked one is asking about.
    I won't go into Vantages vs. 200's vs. PipePros. They all work for some people.

    JTMcC
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    Quote Originally Posted by b-footn View Post
    I ran an SA 200 for about 20 years. I'm old school, but I am still able to keep up with the current technology without blind worship of the old ways.

    (blue vs red is a never ending battle. I expect it in the field, but not on a MILLER based forum)
    I dont care if your old school or not. In your post you made it sound like miller sells the only product that has arc control. "It seems to me that I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Miller has already provided a product with what you are after. The PIPEPRO 304". I said that the lincoln vantage has an arcforce just like a pipepro does. The pipepro is twice the machine a sa200 is, an also about 10 grand more too. But the pipepro and vantage are very close in comparison.

    ( theres no never ending battle here, because I really dont care if one guy runs a miller and the other a lincoln. Whatever works for you.)
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    Only someone with a preference would've perceived my post to be all inclusive. I've got no problem with that. It is what it is in the end, welded pipe to please the inspector and codes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-footn View Post
    Now why is it that all the Lincoln fans are trying to get their machines to be adjustable like the Miller machine?


    you have to wonder about the reason he has modified the Lincoln to weld like the Miller. (hint: It is to keep the Lincoln fans happy).



    Just to add a bit of historical perspective, Mr. Fowler was putting 7 range selectors on old 200's before the PipePro was even a gleam in an engineers eye. And way before the Vantages or 200D/300D arrived on the scene of the crime.

    So really at that point in time he was only trying to make some money giving the mainline welder more adjustability on the old machines (and it's really debatable that it's needed), the PipePro didn't even exist those days so it can't really be called an attempt at imitating a Miller.

    JTMcC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by b-footn View Post
    It seems to me that I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Miller has already provided a product with what you are after. The PIPEPRO 304. I've been using one for 10 years now. Now why is it that all the Lincoln fans are trying to get their machines to be adjustable like the Miller machine? There is nothing wrong with a Lincoln machine, I like them myself. The Fowler Mainliner is probably a nice machine, haven't used one myself, but you have to wonder about the reason he has modified the Lincoln to weld like the Miller. (hint: It is to keep the Lincoln fans happy).
    I asked a simple question , not to start a fight. I had a Pipepro 304 and it was a piece of junk! A lemon so to speak. I bought a Pipeliner 200d 10 times the machine MY Pipepro was. That said the Pipeliner 200d that I own doesn't work as well as I would like it to. I am looking to enhance it's weldability. Even though my pipeliner 200d doesn't work as well as I want it to it does and will burn rod faster than a Pipepro 304. I just want to know if anyone has tried the Fowler parts I don't want a debate what color is better if that's what you want to do start your own post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wicked one View Post
    I asked a simple question , not to start a fight. I had a Pipepro 304 and it was a piece of junk! A lemon so to speak. I bought a Pipeliner 200d 10 times the machine MY Pipepro was. That said the Pipeliner 200d that I own doesn't work as well as I would like it to. I am looking to enhance it's weldability. Even though my pipeliner 200d doesn't work as well as I want it to it does and will burn rod faster than a Pipepro 304. I just want to know if anyone has tried the Fowler parts I don't want a debate what color is better if that's what you want to do start your own post.
    So what???? It's an open forum, anybody and everybody can answer, just because you asked a question, doesn't give you carte blanche (a little french there) to decide who can and cannot answer in a thread you started.
    Obviously, I'm just a hack-artist, you shouldn't be listening to anything I say .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sae350 View Post
    . What did miller have in 1946-2000 that could even compare to an sa-200? NOTHING! So if your going to compare, atleast compare apples to apples.
    They had the 1st generation Big 40, good machine, even had 5 ranges like the sa-200. Settings were even close between the 2 machines.

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    Years ago miller come out with the XMT304 and people didnt think anything about it except for its size, then miller put a generator behind it and called it a pipe pro, then the miller boys started saying its gods gift to welding. Millers second to no one in marketing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wicked one View Post
    Hey, does anyone know anything about the Fowler Mainliner Machine and parts from Hybriweld? What I'm mostly interested in is the 7 range selector and the arc force control. Thanks, Jef
    I know this is an old thread, but just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

    I have a '85 SA-250 that has Tom Fowler's Arc Force kit in it. I really like it and would recommend it to anyone. It makes welding pretty easy. You don't really notice the arc's force, but you can really tell in your rod speed.
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    I don't know any thing about these either Wicked but it has me interested. Does the fowler arc force only work on 200's or would it work on a 300 also?

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