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    Tonyrico, if you are going to be running off of that generator I would recommend the smaller units over the 212.

    Yup, the MM210/212 is rated at 27.1 Amps/5.45Kw.. the HH210 is rated at 24 Amps/5.33Kw. Those would be pushing a 5.5Kw generator pretty hard at it's top end. Also, unlike the HH210 and smaller units, the MM210/212 is not really meant to be a 'portable' machine. I have a Coleman Powermate 5000 which I occasionally run my HH187 on, and it seems to run just fine.. although I've never needed to crank it up to it's max while running on the generator, so I can't comment on it's full range capabilities in that configuration.

    After what Roger said about the 155, I looked up the specs on it, the SP-175 and the MM180. The Miller/Hobart/Lincolns in that class all specify a draw of around 20 amps give or take. Lincoln doesn't report Kw, but the HH187 is rated at 3.88Kw, and the MM180 is rated at 4.1Kw, so it seems that they should, in theory, work with a 5.5Kw generator. What is strange is that while the Hobart/Miller specs call for a 25 Amp (Minimum) circuit breaker, the Lincolns calls for a 40 Amp one?!?

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    You don't have to run the welder wide open yuh know
    The HH210 is portable like the MM180 but will also put out more power for you in the shop. A 180 class machine still "teases" me too much. I just like more power
    Many Many people have been running their MM210's off off Bobcats and Trailblazers also. They work wonderful. I just think a HH210 is a great machine and other than duty cycle find very little wrong with it. More than likely it will be my next machine.
    Except I can't help that feel that Miller is very well aware of the advantages of the HH210 and will soon introduce their own version, only with more features. I could only hope they incorporate stuff like dual voltage as in the Passport and DVI as well as the 200 Dynasty.
    And you can just about bet yer fanny Lincoln ain't far behind either.

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    Fusion King,

    You think Miller may soon introduce a 210A Passport?

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    That might be cool...but I'm hoping for aluminum capability also.
    For my part they could just buy a bunch of HH210's, stuff them in a MM140 case (blue) and charge a couple hundred more and I'd be good to go Even if they did make a 210 passport they would miss me

    The multi-voltage thing is just me fanticyzing about how Miller should make ME a mig that matches my 200 DX Dynasty as many ways as possible and still be a mig. In fact I would rather see it in the same case as my Dynasty as well. I'm also sure Miller would make the thing have infinite amperage setting also. After they do this they could dump the DVI
    If I buy the HH210 it will be the first time I bought a non-miller welder(new) in 28 years....that Lincoln sp-135 plus was new, but it was a gift from Lincoln Electric to my son for being "Top-One" at Tulsa Welding School. It will leave my line-up this holiday as my son see's a need for it now...before he wouldn't even hardly use it. I sure as heck won't miss it. I have to LOOK for ways to use it.

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