yeah i work in a factory and the company wont provide the hand tools for the guys that weld, we dont do much stick welding at all in the weld shop the only guys that stick are the maintance guys when they are fixing steel racks, or dock plates. In the weld shop we do MIg and tig, but have to fab parts before we weld them, we do it all we cut the stuff, grind it shape it, weld it then send it to my beautiful friends dept(christy)(which has a huge crush on me even though shes married) for paint and powder coat.