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Thread: New to TIG.....

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    Default New to TIG.....

    Hey guys, new to the board but really enjoying viewing all the tips and help that is offered. I'm a high school welding teacher (I am a Machinist by trade) so not a great deal of welding experience and I have a 250DX that I just got running in my shop. I am having trouble getting a decent weld.

    I am just messing around with some 1/8 & 1/4 mild steel, using a red band tungsten, DCEN. Any of the calculators that I look at and also the manuals say I should be using about 200 amps or so for the 1/4".

    I started out at about 125 amps with the 1/8 and found that it really heated and melted the steel. The whole thing was glowing red including the tungsten.
    So...I kept turning it down and trying it.

    Basically now I am down to about 65 amps on the digital readout, using 1/4" mild steel and it's not working too bad but I think it should be much better than what I am getting.

    I am hoping and based on what I have been reading here is a few of you could offer me some advice on what I could be doing wrong.

    Looking forward to your posts...

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    No offense intended, but why is the school corp. making a machinist be a welding teacher, that has no experience. I think you are being pushed to teach something that takes years to master, let alone teach to the future of our country.
    This board is full of very knowledgeable people that is always helpful. I am sure someone will provide the info you are looking for.
    Please don't take this as a"slam" I do not intend this as that. I hope you succeed.
    Good luck.
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    I just reread my reply. It sounded pretty bad. Sorry. Please ignore.
    My bad.
    Tim Beeker,
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    No offence taken whatsoever. Basically, the powers that be believe that if you have "a trade" you can be "a shop teacher"...frustrating to say the least...
    I am comfortable with stick and MIG its just the TIG that is new and I really am interested in learning it.

    Really, I appreciate any and all comments - no offence taken.

    Tim

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    go to the resource section on this site, then go to improving your skills, then go to the tig welding material. there are videos under hints and tips and there is a full downloadable tig book in there as well. how did you grind your tungsten? the tungsten could be contaminated. for 1/8 " steel you should be runnin at about 140 amps. when I weld 1/8 " steel i get a puddle going then I back off the pedal a bit and control the heat with the pedal. hope this has helped ..................................
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    Thanks for the info, I have checked out and read a lot of this info. I am grinding the tungsten the proper way - it could be contaminated though.

    I am starting to wonder if the handle could have been installed wrong on the front of the machine. Reason is, according to one chart I looked at, DCEP should be running at about 30-50 amps. It seems to work better and it doesn't turn the whole piece cherry red.

    I'll keep trying though...

    Thanks for the help.

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    I use DCEN for steel. AC for alum. It would seem that DCEP would heat the electrode up to much. It doesnt matter how high you set the welder. Set it at 200 if you want. Unlike MIG or stick, TIG will only apply as much amperage as you push down on the pedal up to the what you set the machine at. You should probably just try making some weld puddles on a piece of flat bar. No filler, just make little puddles. That way you'll get practice with the foot pedal. Push down pedal and puddle gets more fluid, let off pedal some and puddle gets more solid. With TIG you can hold a "wet" puddle there for as long as you want by controlling the heat with the pedal. Then add some filler and make little "caterpillers" Weld beads that resemble caterpilllers. All just on a flat piece of steel. Good practice. Don't know if this helps or not but good luck
    Scott
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    Thanks for the input, I tried again today - had a little more success. Used a piece of 3/16 flatbar, ground and cleaned all of the scale off of it, removed about a 1/2" or so of the tungsten to get rid of any potential contaminents there and it seemed to work better. I had the machine set at about 140 amps or so and it wasn't too bad.

    This is probably a obvious question but is it normal for the tungsten to be glowing orange during welding? I am assuming so...

    Thanks again....any and all tips are greatly appreciated!!

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    Like I said just turn up the amps and dont worry about it. Use your pedal as the amperage control. Yes the electrode gets very hot. That why if you touch it to the weld puddle or bump the filler against it, it instantly contaminates it.
    Scott
    HMW [Heavy Metal welding]

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    I just spent the last 20 or so mins. practicing some more with it and its coming - slowing but surely. I can keep a nice puddle going with no filler and even tried a little filler at the end just for fun. It will definitely take a lot of practice.

    Thanks again

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