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    Default PraxAir proprietary gas question Stargon VS

    I need to renew my bottle leases and happened to see this gas demonstrated at an open house on Friday. I was wondering if any one has experience with StargonVS gas in a 350P machine. Their paper literature has set up parameters for my machine and the weld samples they had looked good but I would still like some real world user input. Thanks, JEFF
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    What is the mix ratio?

    Miller tested the 350P and found it to run best on 90/10 Ar/CO2, which is what they recommend to use in the manual. When I talked to them about using alternative mixes, they said that in testing the 350P with various other gas mixes, their second choice is 95/5 Ar/CO2. I asked them about using 92/8 Ar/CO2 and 98/2 Ar/O2 and they didn't recommend those or anything else. I have always mine on 98/2 and it does take some adjusting of the settings to make it run good. Next time I have the bottle filled, I'm going to try 95/5.
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    Default Stargon VS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Desertrider33 View Post
    What is the mix ratio?

    Miller tested the 350P and found it to run best on 90/10 Ar/CO2, which is what they recommend to use in the manual. When I talked to them about using alternative mixes, they said that in testing the 350P with various other gas mixes, their second choice is 95/5 Ar/CO2. I asked them about using 92/8 Ar/CO2 and 98/2 Ar/O2 and they didn't recommend those or anything else. I have always mine on 98/2 and it does take some adjusting of the settings to make it run good. Next time I have the bottle filled, I'm going to try 95/5.
    Desert; I think " Stargon VS " by Praxair is - 82% Argon- 10%Helium-8%Co2
    I could be wrong, but that is what I was lead to believe ?

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    Default Stargon CS or Stargon SS

    Good evening everyone,Stargon CS for steel is 90%Argon/8%co2/2%oxygen.Possible typo maybe?For SS Stargon SS is 80%argon/10%co2/10%Nitrogen,Frank
    Last edited by Frank Motoweld; 09-26-2009 at 05:35 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Motoweld View Post
    Stargon CS for steel is 90%Argon/8%co2/2%oxygen.Possible typo maybe?For SS Stargon SS is 80%argon/10%co2/10%Nitrogen,Frank
    Frank , Hi; I dunno, there was a thread about this quite a while ago, I just jotted it down. Now that I think about it , it was for Stainless Steel ?
    To be honest I can't remember ? Yes I'm looking at my notes, the other reference was to your first example of Helium 90%- Co2- 8% & O2- 8% ?

    .............. Norm : PS. I hope you are Not as Confused as I am !!!

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    Gas Blends
    » Starblend™ Gas Mixing System
    » StarGold™ Blends
    - Argon-Carbon Dioxide Mixtures -- Praxair's StarGold™ and Mig Mix Gold™ Blends
    - Argon-Oxygen Mixtures -- Praxair's StarGold™ Blends
    » Stargon™ Blends
    - Argon-Carbon Dioxide-Oxygen Mixtures -- Praxair's Stargon® CS Blend
    - Argon-Carbon Dioxide-Nitrogen Mixtures -- Praxair's Stargon® SS Blend
    » HeliStar™ Blends
    - Argon-Helium-Carbon Dioxide Mixture -- Praxair's HeliStar® GV Blend
    - Argon-Helium Mixtures -- Praxair's HeliStar® Blends
    - Argon-Helium-Carbon Dioxide Mixtures -- Praxair's HeliStar® Blends
    » HydoStar™ Blends
    - Argon-Hydrogen Mixtures -- Praxair's HydroStar® Gas Blends
    - Argon-Carbon Dioxide-Hydrogen Mixtures -- Praxair's HydroStar® Gas Blends
    » LaserStar™ Blends
    - Praxair's LaserStar™ Gases and Blends For Optimum Laser Performance
    » RoboStar™ Blends
    - Argon-Carbon Dioxide-Oxygen -- Praxair's RoboStar® CS Blend
    - Argon-Helium-Carbon Dioxide -- Praxair's RoboStar® SS Blend
    - Argon-Helium -- Praxair's RoboStar® AL Blend


    http://www.praxair.com/praxair.nsf/7...4?OpenDocument

    Norm,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscarstrucks View Post
    but I would still like some real world user input. Thanks, JEFF
    best real world user is You- heck you were right in front of the Demo, what is an E-Opinion gonna do
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    Talking Note Taking ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Broccoli1 View Post
    Gas Blends
    » Starblend™ Gas Mixing System
    » StarGold™ Blends
    - Argon-Carbon Dioxide Mixtures -- Praxair's StarGold™ and Mig Mix Gold™ Blends
    - Argon-Oxygen Mixtures -- Praxair's StarGold™ Blends
    » Stargon™ Blends
    - Argon-Carbon Dioxide-Oxygen Mixtures -- Praxair's Stargon® CS Blend
    - Argon-Carbon Dioxide-Nitrogen Mixtures -- Praxair's Stargon® SS Blend
    » HeliStar™ Blends
    - Argon-Helium-Carbon Dioxide Mixture -- Praxair's HeliStar® GV Blend
    - Argon-Helium Mixtures -- Praxair's HeliStar® Blends
    - Argon-Helium-Carbon Dioxide Mixtures -- Praxair's HeliStar® Blends
    » HydoStar™ Blends
    - Argon-Hydrogen Mixtures -- Praxair's HydroStar® Gas Blends
    - Argon-Carbon Dioxide-Hydrogen Mixtures -- Praxair's HydroStar® Gas Blends
    » LaserStar™ Blends
    - Praxair's LaserStar™ Gases and Blends For Optimum Laser Performance
    » RoboStar™ Blends
    - Argon-Carbon Dioxide-Oxygen -- Praxair's RoboStar® CS Blend
    - Argon-Helium-Carbon Dioxide -- Praxair's RoboStar® SS Blend
    - Argon-Helium -- Praxair's RoboStar® AL Blend


    http://www.praxair.com/praxair.nsf/7...4?OpenDocument

    Norm,

    I stopped with notes a long time ago- just Bookmark my Reference pages-clickity click
    OK, Ed; Will Do ! Ed , Prior to 1-1/2 yrs. ago I'd never touched a computer ! Still learnin' how to use this thing ?

    Back to the Gas Blends, Do you think they have enough ??

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    Default Enough gases?

    Hey Norm,as if its this is not enough,you can go in there and one time your C-25 will be called Autoweld,the next time it'll be called Stargold etc...
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    Exclamation Too Many Names !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Motoweld View Post
    Hey Norm,as if its this is not enough,you can go in there and one time your C-25 will be called Autoweld,the next time it'll be called Stargold etc...
    Frank, I tell-em I want a tank of C-25, way too many names for me !!

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