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  1. #1
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    Default Which Bernard Q Gun

    I have a MM210 that is approx 4 years old. The original M25 gun that came with the unit is showing it's age so I was thinking of installing a new Bernard Q gun. Can anyone tell me the model of Q gun that would be comparable with the present M25. I would like to have a 15 foot cable and be able to use the center fire contact tips. I tried using the Bernard gun configurator but my computer must not have the correct software installed to use the program. I am thinking the 300 series Bernard Q-Gun that utilizes the center fire contact tips is around the size I need, but not sure. Also, would these be a direct plug in.......thanks.

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    Q3015AE8XM is probably what you want. This is a 15 foot, 300 amp, flush nozzle, .035/.045 liner.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/BERNARD-MIG-GUN-...d=p3286.c0.m14
    Millermatic Passport Plus
    Millermatic 200

    Millermatic 350P with Python
    XMT 304 /w S-64 feeder and 12VS
    Dynasty 300 DX
    Thermal Arc 400 MST
    Victor O/A
    Premier Power Welder for my trail junk.

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    crawler,

    Thank you for the info. Would you happen to know if the gun you mentioned is a direct plug in for a Miller 210? I guess in other words would it connect just like the present M25 gun. The reason I ask is because I was talking with the local welder supply guy when he brought some welding materials to our shop and he stated that he thought there are different connection configurations, and you have to specify a Miller model number, otherwise a person could end up with a gun that you would need to purchase a separate connection kit for that is not as good as having the factory Miller configuration.........thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat View Post
    crawler,

    Thank you for the info. Would you happen to know if the gun you mentioned is a direct plug in for a Miller 210? I guess in other words would it connect just like the present M25 gun. The reason I ask is because I was talking with the local welder supply guy when he brought some welding materials to our shop and he stated that he thought there are different connection configurations, and you have to specify a Miller model number, otherwise a person could end up with a gun that you would need to purchase a separate connection kit for that is not as good as having the factory Miller configuration.........thanks again.
    Pat,

    Yes, this has the Miller back end and is a direct fit.

    Charles
    Millermatic Passport Plus
    Millermatic 200

    Millermatic 350P with Python
    XMT 304 /w S-64 feeder and 12VS
    Dynasty 300 DX
    Thermal Arc 400 MST
    Victor O/A
    Premier Power Welder for my trail junk.

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    I'll come as close as memory serves on the number for you. You can get this stuff right off the Bernard site too.

    Q= Q gun
    30= 300 amp
    15=15' lead
    AE8X= Can't remember, though part of it has do do with neck length and bend
    M=Miller back end

    So don't bid on a Q4015 as it is a 400 amp gun and is heavy (had one), or an AEX8L, as that would be a lincoln gun

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    I have a Q400 and two Q300's, all 15 footers, and the 400, though it may be technically heavier than the 300's, is not noticeably heavier in actual use. I can't tell a practical difference between them, welding from one machine to the other with 300 on one and 400 on the other.

    On the AE8X, one of those is the neck style, another is the handle style, another is the liner and tip size and another is the trigger type. I forget which one is which. The Bernard configurator on the website will describe what each is in detail.
    Last edited by Desertrider33; 09-08-2009 at 03:12 PM.
    Millermatic350P/Python, MillermaticReach/Q300
    Millermatic175
    MillermaticPassport/Q300
    HTP MIG200
    PowCon 300SM, MK Cobramatic
    ThermalArc 185ACDC, Dynaflux Tig'r, CK-20
    DialarcHF, Radiator-1
    Hypertherm PowerMax 380
    Purox oxy/ace
    Jackson EQC
    -F350 CrewCab 4x4
    -LoadNGo utility bed
    -Bobcat 250NT
    -PassportPlus/Q300
    -XMT304/Optima/Spoolmatic15A
    -Suitcase8RC/Q400
    -Suitcase12RC/Q300
    -Smith oxy/propane
    -Jackson EQC

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    From my Bernard owner's manual-

    First 3 characters-
    Q15 = 150 amp
    Q20 = 200 amp
    Q30 = 300 amp
    Q40 = 400 amp

    Second 2 characters-
    08 = 8 feet
    10 = 10 feet
    12 = 12 feet
    15 = 15 feet
    20 = 20 feet
    25 = 25 feet

    6th character-
    A = standard trigger
    B = locking trigger
    C = dual-pull trigger
    D = dual-schedule trigger
    E = dual-schedule with lock
    A through E are for the Curved Handle
    There are T trhough L trigger choices for the OXO style handles.

    7th character-
    A through I are rotatable necks
    N through V are fixed necks
    Each letter describes a different curve angle and neck length. Curve angles are 30*, 45*, 60* and 90*. Lengths are Short, Medium and Long.
    'B' is a short 45* rotatable neck.

    8th/9th characters-
    Contact tip type/size.
    8C is an .035 Centerfire
    8E is an .045 Centerfire
    Liner size will match the tip size when they build the gun.

    Last character-
    Gun/machine connector
    M = Miller direct-connect power pin connector
    There are many other machines supported, but the M connector will fit all Millermatics and Suitcase feeders and other Miller feeders but not all.
    Millermatic350P/Python, MillermaticReach/Q300
    Millermatic175
    MillermaticPassport/Q300
    HTP MIG200
    PowCon 300SM, MK Cobramatic
    ThermalArc 185ACDC, Dynaflux Tig'r, CK-20
    DialarcHF, Radiator-1
    Hypertherm PowerMax 380
    Purox oxy/ace
    Jackson EQC
    -F350 CrewCab 4x4
    -LoadNGo utility bed
    -Bobcat 250NT
    -PassportPlus/Q300
    -XMT304/Optima/Spoolmatic15A
    -Suitcase8RC/Q400
    -Suitcase12RC/Q300
    -Smith oxy/propane
    -Jackson EQC

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    Pat,

    The Bernard gun which will serve you best (as already mentioned) is the Q300. As long as it states Miller rear end (machine end) it will plug directly in in place of the M25. That's what I use on my MM251.

    Also, the Q300 is the easiest gun to find on e-bay. For some reason a lot of people buying feeders replace the Bernard guns and quite a few of them come available. You can normally find a Miller Q300 on e-bay for around $100. Significant savings since they retail for around $300+.

    That's the route I'd take. Just do a search for Bernard Mig on E-Bay.
    Syncrowave 250 DX Tigrunner
    Dynasty 200 DX
    Miller XMT 304 w/714D Feeder & Optima Control
    Miller MM 251 w/Q300 & 30A SG
    Hobart HH187
    Dialarc 250 AC/DC
    Hypertherm PM 600 & 1250
    Wilton 7"x12" bandsaw
    PC Dry Cut Saw, Dewalt Chop Saw
    Milwaukee 8" Metal Cut Saw, Milwaukee Portaband.
    Thermco and Smith (2) Gas Mixers
    More grinders than hands

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    Default Bernard Q-Gun

    Hello;
    I just recieved my e-mail quote today for a Q-20, 12' cable, for my Lincoln 180. The quote is for $ 372.00

    ............. Norm

    Sunrise Outside My Shop In Delhi, Ontario

    - Arcair- K 4000 CAC.

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    - Lincoln Ranger 8- Engine Drive- CC\CV:



    - Lincoln Power Mig 180C
    - Spoolgun.
    - DeWalt Chop Saw .
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    Quote Originally Posted by nfinch86 View Post
    Hello;
    I just recieved my e-mail quote today for a Q-20, 12' cable, for my Lincoln 180. The quote is for $ 372.00

    ............. Norm
    That's not surprising. Full-boat retail on these guns is pretty high. Cheapest I've found one for completely new gun-only, not part of a machine package, gun comming direct from Bernard, was $200 and that was at the shop's cost. That's why I say these $100 Q300's on ebay are not completely brand new guns, they probly came off machines already sold. Most of them probly replaced either with fluxcore-only guns on the portable feeders, or with push-pull guns on the aluminum-capable migs.
    Millermatic350P/Python, MillermaticReach/Q300
    Millermatic175
    MillermaticPassport/Q300
    HTP MIG200
    PowCon 300SM, MK Cobramatic
    ThermalArc 185ACDC, Dynaflux Tig'r, CK-20
    DialarcHF, Radiator-1
    Hypertherm PowerMax 380
    Purox oxy/ace
    Jackson EQC
    -F350 CrewCab 4x4
    -LoadNGo utility bed
    -Bobcat 250NT
    -PassportPlus/Q300
    -XMT304/Optima/Spoolmatic15A
    -Suitcase8RC/Q400
    -Suitcase12RC/Q300
    -Smith oxy/propane
    -Jackson EQC

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