Which Bernard Q Gun

[Pat]

I have a MM210 that is approx 4 years old. The original M25 gun that came with the unit is showing it's age so I was thinking of installing a new Bernard Q gun. Can anyone tell me the model of Q gun that would be comparable with the present M25. I would like to have a 15 foot cable and be able to use the center fire contact tips. I tried using the Bernard gun configurator but my computer must not have the correct software installed to use the program. I am thinking the 300 series Bernard Q-Gun that utilizes the center fire contact tips is around the size I need, but not sure. Also, would these be a direct plug in.......thanks.

[crawler]

Q3015AE8XM is probably what you want. This is a 15 foot, 300 amp, flush nozzle, .035/.045 liner.

http://cgi.ebay.com/BERNARD-MIG-GUN-...d=p3286.c0.m14

[Pat]

crawler,

Thank you for the info. Would you happen to know if the gun you mentioned is a direct plug in for a Miller 210? I guess in other words would it connect just like the present M25 gun. The reason I ask is because I was talking with the local welder supply guy when he brought some welding materials to our shop and he stated that he thought there are different connection configurations, and you have to specify a Miller model number, otherwise a person could end up with a gun that you would need to purchase a separate connection kit for that is not as good as having the factory Miller configuration.........thanks again.

[crawler]

crawler,

Thank you for the info. Would you happen to know if the gun you mentioned is a direct plug in for a Miller 210? I guess in other words would it connect just like the present M25 gun. The reason I ask is because I was talking with the local welder supply guy when he brought some welding materials to our shop and he stated that he thought there are different connection configurations, and you have to specify a Miller model number, otherwise a person could end up with a gun that you would need to purchase a separate connection kit for that is not as good as having the factory Miller configuration.........thanks again.

Pat,

Yes, this has the Miller back end and is a direct fit.

Charles

[walker]

I'll come as close as memory serves on the number for you. You can get this stuff right off the Bernard site too.

Q= Q gun
30= 300 amp
15=15' lead
AE8X= Can't remember, though part of it has do do with neck length and bend
M=Miller back end

So don't bid on a Q4015 as it is a 400 amp gun and is heavy (had one), or an AEX8L, as that would be a lincoln gun

[Desertrider33]

I have a Q400 and two Q300's, all 15 footers, and the 400, though it may be technically heavier than the 300's, is not noticeably heavier in actual use. I can't tell a practical difference between them, welding from one machine to the other with 300 on one and 400 on the other.

On the AE8X, one of those is the neck style, another is the handle style, another is the liner and tip size and another is the trigger type. I forget which one is which. The Bernard configurator on the website will describe what each is in detail.

[Desertrider33]

From my Bernard owner's manual-

First 3 characters-
Q15 = 150 amp
Q20 = 200 amp
Q30 = 300 amp
Q40 = 400 amp

Second 2 characters-
08 = 8 feet
10 = 10 feet
12 = 12 feet
15 = 15 feet
20 = 20 feet
25 = 25 feet

6th character-
A = standard trigger
B = locking trigger
C = dual-pull trigger
D = dual-schedule trigger
E = dual-schedule with lock
A through E are for the Curved Handle
There are T trhough L trigger choices for the OXO style handles.

7th character-
A through I are rotatable necks
N through V are fixed necks
Each letter describes a different curve angle and neck length. Curve angles are 30*, 45*, 60* and 90*. Lengths are Short, Medium and Long.
'B' is a short 45* rotatable neck.

8th/9th characters-
Contact tip type/size.
8C is an .035 Centerfire
8E is an .045 Centerfire
Liner size will match the tip size when they build the gun.

Last character-
Gun/machine connector
M = Miller direct-connect power pin connector
There are many other machines supported, but the M connector will fit all Millermatics and Suitcase feeders and other Miller feeders but not all.

[SundownIII]

Pat,

The Bernard gun which will serve you best (as already mentioned) is the Q300. As long as it states Miller rear end (machine end) it will plug directly in in place of the M25. That's what I use on my MM251.

Also, the Q300 is the easiest gun to find on e-bay. For some reason a lot of people buying feeders replace the Bernard guns and quite a few of them come available. You can normally find a Miller Q300 on e-bay for around $100. Significant savings since they retail for around $300+.

That's the route I'd take. Just do a search for Bernard Mig on E-Bay.

[nfinch86]

Hello;
I just recieved my e-mail quote today for a Q-20, 12' cable, for my Lincoln 180. The quote is for $ 372.00

............. Norm

[Desertrider33]

Hello;
I just recieved my e-mail quote today for a Q-20, 12' cable, for my Lincoln 180. The quote is for $ 372.00

............. Norm

That's not surprising. Full-boat retail on these guns is pretty high. Cheapest I've found one for completely new gun-only, not part of a machine package, gun comming direct from Bernard, was $200 and that was at the shop's cost. That's why I say these $100 Q300's on ebay are not completely brand new guns, they probly came off machines already sold. Most of them probly replaced either with fluxcore-only guns on the portable feeders, or with push-pull guns on the aluminum-capable migs.