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    Exclamation Chemical Safety Article

    A message board member/viewer sent me this safety story to post on the forums. The article states that brake cleaner can break down into a harmful gas. Here is the link: http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    A message board member/viewer sent me this safety story to post on the forums. The article states that brake cleaner can break down into a harmful gas. Here is the link: http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm
    ... into phosgene -- which first gained world wide infamy in 1915
    in the trenches of the Western Front. It was used as a chemical
    weapon in WW-1, low concentrations are very toxic -- which is what
    made it useful as a chemical weapon

    Nasty stuff.

    Thanks for posting the article

    frank

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    Not to discredit the post by any means. but how does he know there was not some other contaminate on the metal besides the brake cleaner? Mike

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    what next is gonna go bad on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crawdaddy View Post
    Not to discredit the post by any means. but how does he know there was not some other contaminate on the metal besides the brake cleaner? Mike
    Crawdaddy,
    Not to be a wise guy, but if there were even the slightest chance this were true why would you care about other contaminants when the chemical used was brake cleaner? All of the injuries that were mentioned are fairly permanent. My thoughts would be no brake cleaner ever!!!!
    Nick

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    Quote Originally Posted by crawdaddy View Post
    Not to discredit the post by any means. but how does he know there was not some other contaminate on the metal besides the brake cleaner? Mike
    That's a bit like wondering if formaldehyde fumes are causing sick-building syndrome inside the execution chamber on death row.

    I'm sure there were at least traces of many other things, but they were obviously in concentrations multiple orders of magnitude lower than the chlorinated organic solvent that was saturating the surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi View Post
    Crawdaddy,
    Not to be a wise guy, but if there were even the slightest chance this were true why would you care about other contaminants when the chemical used was brake cleaner? All of the injuries that were mentioned are fairly permanent. My thoughts would be no brake cleaner ever!!!!
    Nick
    That is probably a good idea not to use brake cleaner,But my point is There is no proof the brake cleaner actually caused the problem described by the original poster,no way you can say without doing baseline testing on the part first to determine what was or was not present and in what concentrations, And how many welders can be certain that the metal they are working with has not been exposed to a variety of contaminates during its service life before they recieve the project, you have no way of knowing without a chain of custody documenting where that part has been and what was done to it.Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodybagger View Post
    That's a bit like wondering if formaldehyde fumes are causing sick-building syndrome inside the execution chamber on death row.

    I'm sure there were at least traces of many other things, but they were obviously in concentrations multiple orders of magnitude lower than the chlorinated organic solvent that was saturating the surface.
    Isnt most brake cleaner non chlorinated now by law?.Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by crawdaddy View Post
    Isnt most brake cleaner non chlorinated now by law?.Mike
    Yes, unfortunately, the good stuff, as usual, is no longer available. We get the "new and improved" stuff now.

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    Dont mean to be a doubting Thomas,But people are taking this guys post about his bad experience and treating it like the guy did a controlled scientific experiment.Just like the alleged workers pissing in the Corona beer one person starts it and everyone takes it for fact.Mike

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