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    Goes to show you that there are many methods that will work.....I would only add that for vertical up...SHORT ARC LENGTH gives the best puddle control.....Good luck

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    Thumbs up Learned Somethin New Today (as always)

    Quote Originally Posted by JTMcC View Post
    The people in the U.S. recomending different rods need to keep in mind that 6013 is used by the thousands of (metric) ton every day in the UK (and several countries that follow the UK model like Australia, New Zealand, etc, etc).
    They weld pressure piping with those rods and have for decades.
    So, recomending what might be common practice in my area doesn't help a guy who's doing it right for his area.
    The UK model also runs straight beads in downhill cross country pipelines, can't do that in the U.S. either but advise can really be location specific.

    And the trick to getting slick in all position welds is of course practice, practice, practice and then practice some more. It comes faster for some people and slower for others. But a determined individual can become slick, it just takes more time and rod. I wasted I don't know how many pounds of rod before I could make a solid, workmanlike weld.
    In the learning process cranking the machine up and down is counterproductive in my mind assuming you are in the general ballpark. If your welds are looking poor, and your heat is close to good, then just burn that rod, It'll come. A lot of new guys look for the perfect setting on the machine when in reality they just need technique improvement. A slick welder can make a slick weld over a fairly broad range of amperages from way too cold to smoking hot, practice and developing technique trumps the "perfect" machine setting every time. If you can't (yet) really weld, there is no magic setting that will run a pretty cap as that lies in the hands of the welder. Look at the manufacturers recomended parameters for the particular rod, set the machine in the lower half of those parameters and burn rod. That's my best take on it.

    JTMcC
    JT: Thanks for that info, I was unaware of the International differences regarding 6013's.

    Good advice, as always.

    Dave
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    I had no idea of the International differences either.........

    mike sr

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    So does that mean i can blame international differences for my crappy vertical up welding? Andy........
    Last edited by midseries; 04-19-2009 at 04:33 AM.

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    Talking Vertical - Up Welds !

    Quote Originally Posted by midseries View Post
    So does that mean i can blame international differences for my crappy vertical up welding? Andy........
    Hi Andy;

    I'll buy that !!

    I've heard worse excuses, Good Luck to Ya, Practice, Practice !!

    Your Canadian Friend, .......... Norm

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    No probs norm,

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    Hey Dave, Norm said i can't blame international differences for my crappy vertical up. so taking onboard all the great advice you blokes have given me and with lots of practice, along with 10 kilos of rods, i'm starting to get there so thanks boy's you have been a great help...Andy

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    Quote Originally Posted by midseries View Post
    Hey Dave, Norm said i can't blame international differences for my crappy vertical up. so taking onboard all the great advice you blokes have given me and with lots of practice, along with 10 kilos of rods, i'm starting to get there so thanks boy's you have been a great help...Andy
    Hi Andy;

    I knew you could do It !! Keep Practicing, You Will Get Better Every Day!

    Stick Welding ( SMAW ) Vertical can and will take time and patience, then
    One day you will say, hey I got It, that Looks real good !!

    Andy, Enjoy the Wonerful World of Welding, I've been at this " ALL " My Adult Life, and I still go to bed just so I can Hurry and get back up !!

    I Love what I do for a Living, It's My Life & My Passion !!!

    ................. Norm

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