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    Default Aluminum motor mounts

    need some info. i am building a set of solid motor mounts and would like to use Aluminum. what grade would be suitable? as there are quit a few to pick from. i was thinking 6061-t4 (3/16 or 1/4). here is what i was thinking.

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    also what filler and would i need to re-harden the aluminum after welding

    i am using a Syncrowave 200 non-water cooled

    any idea would help....
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    The engines size and power will weigh into this equation. I would warn away from thin 1/4" mounts on a big block for instance. A high torque small block would be over the top for 1/4" as well. WE need more Information. All the little things matter in these decisions. Also what is the design purpose of this vehicle also. If your doing an off road truck this is a terrible idea as well.

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    engine is a 4.6l 281 Crown Vic with around 550 flywheel hp. Car will be used for Street/Strap.

    here is a pic of factory mount


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    if you make all those welds pictured in your little diagram, your 6061 will probably lose all it's temper from the heat and will end up with no more strenth than non-heat-treated aluminum. if you're dead set on aluminum, the i would machine the motor mounts from a block of 7075.
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    I kind of agree about not being so dead set on alum unless I copied a proven design, they are small and weight would be rather insignificant to some extent, I would be tempted to use steel unless I had to use alum.

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    If aluminum is the requirement, then I would step to atleast 1/2" material. I also agree that a machined block of material would have a better chance. Also if 1/" is used I would relief cut the surface to slightly recess the bolt head and thus move the strain into the block as opposed to being carried pirmarily along the surfaces.

    This I believe to be a true call for steel, but as usual its my opinion.

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    If you make them out of aluminum, put some safety chains or cables on to limit travel.

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    BMW motor mounts on their 400+hp v8's are all just vulcanized rubber with a couple studs going off either side. NO mechanical connection within the mount aside from the rubber bond. They have steel cups that interlock in the event of a failure (which does happen, and has happened to me on a raced e30), but there's nothing holding the engine down.

    1/4 or 3/8" 6061 would probably work without any issues, depending on design.

    Now about the design; it's flawed. You have openings on either end that don't need to be there (they create a cantilevered stress zone across your joints). Intend on turning your bolt from below and make the ends boxed, then you'd be good to go.

    What you created is a bracket that holds a rotational load against the weakest dimensional axis of the part. This is aluminum too - it has a significantly smaller stress life than steel. Eliminate the flexing at the welds and you'd be home free.
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    hey guys thanks for all the info. i am not dead set. just an idea the drawings are kind of what i was thinking of for designs. i draw up another drawing that boxed the mounts in. i will build a set and test them out on the car hopefully it works.

    also i was reading that after welding 6061-t6 you can re-heat to 900* to get the strenght back.... is this right?

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    bmw also has very little body flex. They tend to be designed very rigid.

    The ford's I own, they flex a bit more than the bmw's and other german designs. The germans like to alloy, what kind of aluminum do they use?

    4.6 v8 is very smooth in the delivery of power, at least mine is in my svt. course, I can get the body to flex, launch or twisties...

    Strip launch's will put instant stress and twist in a body in ways a road car will never see unless it's bouncing off a wall.

    Not good, not bad, just a bit different...

    If it is not a proven design , I'd put a safety chain/strap on it to keep it from eating other parts up if it decides to let loose.

    Just my opinion.

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