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    cyber weld is free shipping at $1,422.00 for just the mm210 and $2,065.00 for mm210+spool gun
    good luck . i hope he makes you a great deal and you are setting up to play monday night.
    thanks for the help
    ......or..........
    hope i helped

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    Hi Guys, bad news is the floor model 210 is gone. They can still get one if I order now. I am having second thoughts on the 210 and thinking maybe wait for the 212???? I have been doing some more research and here is what else I have found out on the MM212, maybe I could get some opinions on what is important and what is not and any other thoughts or ideas.
    1. The angled drive system in my mind should work better for feeding just do to the way the gun connects to the machine similar to the 350. maybe why they went with the longer gun???
    2. It comes with a 15' m-25 gun rather than 12'.
    3. 10' power cord, i think the 210 was only 7'???
    4. over temp light
    5. Active Arc Stablizer for better starts
    6. EZ change low cyc rack....seems very low to the floor
    7. the wire feed speed is 50-700 ipm where the 210 was 35-700.
    8. Dimensions 30h x 19w x 40d (less cubic inches than the 210)
    9. this might be a big one...i would get 23 lbs LESS of something, it weighs 177 lbs where the 210 weighed 200 lbs. (it mentions the gun weight is not included) also the over all displacment of the unit is less when you check the dimensions above.
    10. no gun/cable hanger on the side of machine....people use the front split handle or you can get a elevated gun/cable rack to mount on the side.
    11. access compartment / set up chart on front of machine. (looks cheap)
    12. one latch on the side door as opposed to 2 on the 210.
    Some of the things above Sundown mentions earlier in this forum.
    I spoke with one of the Miller reps and he says i should go with the newer model, kinda like buying a car. He says it is not less of a machine and that the changes are the result of improvments. He did not have an answer for the 23 lbs less weight though. I spoke with several people at Miller, and I must say that they were all a pleasure to deal with. My only hesitation is the fact that sometimes they put out a new model car that turns out to be a lemon. Although alot of the things above could be great improvments??? Please pass on any thoughts or comments. Thanks again for all your help.

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    plane,

    I recently picked up the 210. One of the tipping points for me was the 210 was generator friendly. from talking to the miller folks, the 212 will be generator power freindly also. for me, the local guys had one, matched internet prices, and the 210 did everything I wanted it to do.

    Was between the 251 and the 210 for me.

    the weight, wouldn't venture a guess, cause that is all it would be from me.

    I like the 210.

    when I did the inspection and set up on the machine I found one drive roller had a nick in it, someone had dropped it. it would have been a real pistal with deforming the wire had I not caught it on set up before I ran it, the place I picked it up from swapped it out without question.

    In todays competative market, in my estimation, it is unlikely miller would put out a bad unit. if he thing crashes on you, it has a solid warranty, and they will fix it.

    Don't think you can go wrong with either the 210 or the 212 given millers track record on support.

    fyi, read recently where some funding was made available for them to expand locally. That is always a good thing.

    Tom

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    210 VS121 is not realy any thing to loose any sleep over thats for shore. the new 212 will be just as nice a unit as the 210 and you will likely never miss the changes haveing never used the 210.getting a 210 off the floor at a discount to make room for the 212 is a nice insentive to go 210 but not a reson to stay clear of the 212 should the 210 not be available. eather one will give you many years of relyable servise. stop aganizing over it and goi get whats available so you can start playing insted of worrying.
    thanks for the help
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    hope i helped

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    5. Active Arc Stablizer for better starts
    This is a MM 251/252 feature, that gives it the real soft arc that they have.

    The Run-in feature on the 251/252 helps in the area of arc starts.

    I 've had a MM 210 for over 5 years, and arc starts are definitely an area were the unit doesn't have a problem.
    Last edited by Danny; 06-13-2007 at 07:32 AM.

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    1. The angled drive system in my mind should work better for feeding just do to the way the gun connects to the machine similar to the 350. maybe why they went with the longer gun???

    I never had any drive problems, nor have a heard of any with the old drive, for me this is a non-issue either way.

    2. It comes with a 15' m-25 gun rather than 12'.

    Only an issue is you need a 15' gun, sometimes too long gets in the way, just depends on how large you shop is I guess, I like 10'-12' guns.

    3. 10' power cord, i think the 210 was only 7'???

    Don't remember how long mine was, not an issue for me.

    4. over temp light

    Never exceeded the duty cycle, but ok to have I guess.

    5. Active Arc Stablizer for better starts

    As Danny stated, never saw any issues with the MM210 here either.

    6. EZ change low cyc rack....seems very low to the floor

    Good if you have heavy tanks, not so good if you have ruff ground to roll over.

    7. the wire feed speed is 50-700 ipm where the 210 was 35-700.

    Non Issue

    8. Dimensions 30h x 19w x 40d (less cubic inches than the 210)

    Not a car motor so no issue here.

    9. this might be a big one...i would get 23 lbs LESS of something, it weighs 177 lbs where the 210 weighed 200 lbs. (it mentions the gun weight is not included) also the over all displacment of the unit is less when you check the dimensions above.

    Miller would not remove something that needed to stay I think.

    10. no gun/cable hanger on the side of machine....people use the front split handle or you can get a elevated gun/cable rack to mount on the side.

    Don't like this feature, I prefered the MM210 side gun/cable holders.

    11. access compartment / set up chart on front of machine. (looks cheap)

    Liked the bigger set-up chart better even though you needed to lift the door to see it.

    12. one latch on the side door as opposed to 2 on the 210.

    Non-issue here I think.

    Some of the things above Sundown mentions earlier in this forum.
    I spoke with one of the Miller reps and he says i should go with the newer model, kinda like buying a car. He says it is not less of a machine and that the changes are the result of improvments. He did not have an answer for the 23 lbs less weight though. I spoke with several people at Miller, and I must say that they were all a pleasure to deal with. My only hesitation is the fact that sometimes they put out a new model car that turns out to be a lemon. Although alot of the things above could be great improvments??? Please pass on any thoughts or comments. Thanks again for all your help.

    I have no reason to think that the MM212 will be any less capable or robust than the MM210 was. It's just a bit different in some minor features. These are my opinions only and should be taken as such, milage may/will vary for others. For my money the MM210 was/is the best value in it's class and I suspect that the new MM212 will be as good. Just for more options you might want to check out this link to the Hobart Weld Talk Forum http://www.hobartwelders.com/mboard/...ad.php?t=25436 that concerns the new Handler 210. Not trying to move you away from the MM210/MM212, just trying to provide more food for thought.
    Last edited by Sundown; 06-13-2007 at 08:47 AM.
    Regards, George

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