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    can helium be used on gmaw? im in the army and cost dose not matter.
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    i would sat yes because it is a inert gas but unless ur welding alum i would have to say stay away from it. it costs more than argon or co2 much harder to weld and weld quality would be hard to get. a mig mix or or strait co2 is ur best bet 4 steel and argon or a alum mig mix is ur best bet. they add helium to mig gasses to help out with penetration on mild steel mig mixes. call ur local welding store to get the low down on these gas mixes.


    im trying to remember all this from school so i might be wrong, been a long time since then sooo...plz correct me guys if need be.
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    cost dosent matter and i dont have a lws the speacks english and most of my consumables come from come through the supply system.

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    USARMY44B,

    Miller has a good write-up on the uses of Helium in their GMAW handbook (page 140). You should be able to download it, or you can order a copy thru the mail.

    Basically, for short circuit, low alloy steel, a 60-70%HE + 25-35% Argon + 4-5% CO2 mix gives "minimum reactivity; excellent toughness; excellent arc stability, wetting characteristics, and bead contour; little splatter".

    On alum, copper, magnesium, nickel, and their alloys an Argon + Helium mix is preferred on thicker sheet material (over 1/8").

    In spray transfer, a 35% Argon + 65% Helium mix isrecommended for aluminum plate 1"-3" thick (because of higher heat output).

    For plate over 3" a 25% Argon + 75% Helium mix is recommended.

    Looks like an Argon + Helium mix is also recommended for some Copper, Nickel and their alloy applications.

    At the present time, Helium is in short supply in the US. I think it would be used more except for the cost.

    Hope this helps.

    How do you plan to mix your gases. Best way, of course, is with something like the Smith Proportional mixer. If not, you're sorta just shooting in the dark regarding proportions.

    Where in Germany are you. Spent a little time myself in Stuttgart (Ludwigsburg) as S3 of the 7th Engineer Brigade.

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    USARMY44B.

    If you need to mix gases PM me. I regularly mix He for diving and transfill argon for dive suit inflation and can probably get you close with partial pressure mixing. Not to hard but you will need certain fill adapters, special fittings for Hp gas, etc. I can tell you where to get these thru an approved military supplier if needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SundownIII View Post
    USARMY44B,


    Where in Germany are you. Spent a little time myself in Stuttgart (Ludwigsburg) as S3 of the 7th Engineer Brigade.
    im senior welder in 317th maint in bamberg germany


    thanks for the info guys the reson i ask is because we just got in a few bottles for my tig and i have a job for pit covers im making them out of alum dimond plate and the oic wants me to mig them for time but my spool gun is for my hobart welding trailer. i think its older then i am. so i dont know how well its going to work if it is going to work. my plan was to tig it for the practice. when i did try it i noticed that the the heat with he likes a lower freq then argon. what i mean is on 200 htz the arc took longer to stablize and the bead was taller then normal and the consistacy was harder to mantain. but at 50htz it was perfect. any thoughts?


    and DSW i would love to know that because i have alot of small o2 bottles id like to fill for my mechanics. thanx

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    I sent you an email and PM.

    Just want to thank all of you over there for all you are doing to keep us safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USARMY44B View Post

    and DSW i would love to know that because i have alot of small o2 bottles id like to fill for my mechanics. thanx
    I was just wondering if you got the info I sent you. If not PM me and I'll send it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USARMY44B View Post
    ...im in the army and cost dose not matter.
    My tax dollars at work...

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