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    Hello all, been lurking on here for a few months off and on, just now registered as I have a real important question. I just bought an arc welder, a Forney C5 for 30$, and have begun to weld with it. Can lay super nice beads with 7014 on flat steel, but when I try a lap joint I have a huge crease down the middle. Have tried going slower, faster, varying closeness of electrode, ect. Am I missing something or what? Would really like to get this down since I can get a 7 dollar/hour raise at my summer job if I can pass their vert. weld tests. Thanks in advance, and be ready for more questions as I am sure I will have many to follow.

    Mike K.

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    I'm not the best stick welder here by any means, but I can't picture what you mean by a crease down the middle of the welded lap joint. Can you take and attach a picture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brn2hnt View Post
    Hello all, been lurking on here for a few months off and on, just now registered as I have a real important question. I just bought an arc welder, a Forney C5 for 30$, and have begun to weld with it. Can lay super nice beads with 7014 on flat steel, but when I try a lap joint I have a huge crease down the middle. Have tried going slower, faster, varying closeness of electrode, ect. Am I missing something or what? Would really like to get this down since I can get a 7 dollar/hour raise at my summer job if I can pass their vert. weld tests. Thanks in advance, and be ready for more questions as I am sure I will have many to follow.

    Mike K.
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    Are you going for your 7014 or 7018 license? 7018 is what everyone is asking for on this end...
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    I agree with the other guys, we need pictures as I'm not sure what you are trying to describe. Dave
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    Here's a pic for you guys. I am using 7014 because it starts easy and runs good on ac. Once I get some more practice, I was going to use the 7018 at school.


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    Hey brn2hnt i think you better start with some 6011 rods and learn how to start an arc and hold a proper arc length Those 7014 rods are good rods for their purpose, must have clean metal and a good machine to burn them. Looks to me like you are not welding hot enough on the amp side and these rods are not for a beginner, it is hard to see your weld pool and you better know where you are welding at.Yes i agree they leave a good bead appearance,practice,practice practice and eventuaully you will figure it out
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    Default brn2hnt

    At first glance, it appears to me that you have a couple of issues. 1 It doesn't appear as the amps are high enough, try burning a little hotter and 2. by the amount of spatter it doesn't appear as the metal is clean enough. 7014 does burn nice once you get the hang of it but it can also be tempormental. I would suggest trying to practice with some 6011 as its a very good multi purpose rod, and burns well on dirty metal. once you get good with the 6011 go back to the 7014s and practice, practice, practice.... Getting control of the weld pool is the biggest problem for beginners, once you figure out the weld pool you should be alright. Dave
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    what do you mean by getting ahold of the weld pool ??
    i realy need to get out and give stick a try also, so what should i be looking for in the pool?? can you compare it to MIG or TIG so i have some idea of what i am looking for, or is it just a question of keeping the stick in the leading edge ?? is the shielding flux going to show in the pool as well?
    thanks for the help
    ......or..........
    hope i helped

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    When I think of weld pool, I think of the molting puddle right at the end of the electrode, You can tell what your weld will look like by watching the puddle, slow down, speed up, too hot, too cold, change angle, which ever. To me its the same for all the common welding procedures, MIG would be at the end of the electrode[wire] and TIG would be the place you have heated making it molting to add filler, notice its not molting ahead of or behind the puddle. Its also the only "wet" looking spot, especially with aluminum and the TIG. The flux on stick electrodes are for shielding the weld same as the gas is on MIG or TIG and, if I am correct, will show up as slag on top to be chipped off.
    Just my opinion of course, if somebody has a different definition please share.
    Last edited by HMW; 05-14-2007 at 08:24 AM.
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