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  • Are there Electrodes for Welding Bronze?

    I have been told there are electrodes for welding bronze, is this true. I don't mean brazing, I mean real welding.

    Jerry

  • #2
    Welding Bronze

    If you use the same filler metal as the base metal, its welding.

    doesnt matter if its lead, steel, aluminum or bronze

    Im sure there is a flux coated stick electrode that is made of bronze.

    Or you can use bronze rod and flux with a torch

    Or flux coated bronze rod and a torch

    Or Bare bronze rod and a Tig

    In Any case the result is the same.

    -Aaron

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    • #3
      everdur. It's a silicon bronze material. I've only used it with tig.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by makoman1860 View Post
        If you use the same filler metal as the base metal, its welding.

        doesnt matter if its lead, steel, aluminum or bronze

        Im sure there is a flux coated stick electrode that is made of bronze.

        Or you can use bronze rod and flux with a torch

        Or flux coated bronze rod and a torch

        Or Bare bronze rod and a Tig

        In Any case the result is the same.

        -Aaron
        I am going to correct you and I hope you don't take it wrong.


        Soldering is any thing up to 800F (or some thing like that)
        Brazing as anything over 800F to 1200F (?)
        Welding is over 1300F
        It has nothing to do with the filler type as I can weld a36 steel with 309 stainless filler
        and a flux coated bronze rod and a torch sounds like brazing to me

        TJ

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        • #5
          lead welding

          Fat-Fab,
          No Problem on the correction. I know terminology changes with time, in fact the AWS classified those temps, so what does 4043 welding rod fall under? It melts under 1200 but yet can be the same as the parent metal, so is it brazing or welding? I took a picture from my Linde book on welding 1963 to show where I got lead welding.

          Not that this at all matters, just for educational fun.
          -Aaron
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          • #6
            Originally posted by makoman1860 View Post
            Fat-Fab,
            No Problem on the correction. I know terminology changes with time, in fact the AWS classified those temps, so what does 4043 welding rod fall under? It melts under 1200 but yet can be the same as the parent metal, so is it brazing or welding? I took a picture from my Linde book on welding 1963 to show where I got lead welding.

            Not that this at all matters, just for educational fun.
            -Aaron
            Not certin about this but I think we would have a hard time welding sheet 4043 using 40430filler with a torgh that only got to 1200 degs. Would we not need it to go much higher because of the heat loss to the sheet? Then if we were to heat the whole thing to say 1150 then got out the 1200 deg torch would the whole thing just fall apart in our laps and pi** us off? Good question?


            TJ

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            • #7
              Fat-Fab,
              It is normal to weld say....1100 aluminum with 1100 filler, or copper with copper filler. The filler and base material can be exactly the same since the whole panel is not at the melting temperature, only where you are welding. Thats how we make polished airplane skins out of 6061 ( 5356 filler ), if we used 4043 filler you would be able to see the planished out welds, that and 4043 isnt very ductile. The torch is 6,300 degrees or so, but with proper useage you can do a lot. The pic is 5052 flange welded with the torch, for a reproduction aircraft fuel tank.
              -Aaron
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              • #8
                O.K. Are there welding rods you can use with a Tombstone that is bronze. I understand the TIG thing very well. I TIG bronze on a regular basis.

                Who can I get these bronze electrodes from? What are their numbers?

                Jerry

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                • #9
                  And this is a practice brazed joint using a plate of 5052, a pipe of 6061 and 4047 as the brazing alloy....also with the torch.
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                  • #10
                    welding rod

                    Sorry Jerry, its easy to get off topic..

                    How about some All-state 24 AC/DC

                    That should do ya!

                    If im wrong im sure I will hear about it
                    -Aaron

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jfsmith View Post
                      O.K. Are there welding rods you can use with a Tombstone that is bronze. I understand the TIG thing very well. I TIG bronze on a regular basis.

                      Who can I get these bronze electrodes from? What are their numbers?

                      Jerry
                      I use phospher-bronze welding rods, work on bronze-to-bronze and bronze-to-steel (for wear strips).
                      Last edited by calweld; 02-17-2007, 08:12 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Electrodes are made for welding bronze.Try a welding supplier or a repair shop.
                        Strata make one (Strata 333).
                        Last edited by R W; 02-17-2007, 04:46 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Lead

                          Originally posted by Aerometalworker View Post
                          Fat-Fab,
                          No Problem on the correction. I know terminology changes with time, in fact the AWS classified those temps, so what does 4043 welding rod fall under? It melts under 1200 but yet can be the same as the parent metal, so is it brazing or welding? I took a picture from my Linde book on welding 1963 to show where I got lead welding.

                          Not that this at all matters, just for educational fun.
                          -Aaron
                          Aaron,accually lead welding,is and still is called by the old timers,Lead Burning,!!??????

                          During WW2 Storts had a seperate shop for just the 39 lead Burners,,I was taught by one of the old timers,(When i was 23)which if you worked for Storts Welding during WW2 ,That was considered doing your Goverment service!,I have to find one of Storts old Bibles,I have 2 left,and 2 pages are just on lead,Still done the same way,a old hand built torch,and Oxy and Hydrogen, i still do it once a month for same cust,the print says 1918,im afraid of opening it up,But i still fab the same lead annodes!

                          Most of all the Lead burners all lived until they were late 80's and most into ther 90's,Ive been tested for going on 30 years now,and never found any trace of lead in my blood! I have to find and Ill post some pics,I know this thread is old,But pouring rain,figured i do some reading,!!!! Sorry for the Hi Jack,,, Just like all the old timers that worked with asbestos,Until the gov.said it would kill you,very fast!!!!! Again,all into late 80's and 4 packs of Lucky strike smokes! Jack
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                          • #14
                            Electrodes are abundantly available

                            Originally posted by Fat-Fab.com View Post
                            I am going to correct you and I hope you don't take it wrong.


                            Soldering is any thing up to 800F (or some thing like that)
                            Brazing as anything over 800F to 1200F (?)
                            Welding is over 1300F
                            It has nothing to do with the filler type as I can weld a36 steel with 309 stainless filler
                            and a flux coated bronze rod and a torch sounds like brazing to me

                            TJ
                            I am just beginning to search the internet for bronze brazing electrodes. I have found numerous sites that describe/list several different brands/types/uses. I will share only one here because they are in the USA. Alcam Inc. Charleston, South Carolina Toll free 1-800-533-3177. Just look up Alcam Inc. They list four different rods and their technical description/use.

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                            • #15
                              Bronze brazing electrodes are abundantly available

                              Originally posted by Fat-Fab.com View Post
                              I am going to correct you and I hope you don't take it wrong.


                              Soldering is any thing up to 800F (or some thing like that)
                              Brazing as anything over 800F to 1200F (?)
                              Welding is over 1300F
                              It has nothing to do with the filler type as I can weld a36 steel with 309 stainless filler
                              and a flux coated bronze rod and a torch sounds like brazing to me

                              TJ
                              IO have just begun to look for bronze brazing/welding rods on the internet. There are many. I will list only one here because it is near local to me and I have the toll free number (1-800-533-3177), Alcam Inc. Charleston, South Carolina. They list 4 different rods with their technical/use description. Hope this helps.

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