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  • #16
    Engloid...........I also have firearms. Four pistols and a rifle. I have no problem
    with people owning firearms and support the right to. But I also think owners should be responsible for them. People are killed or wounded every day by guns that are too easily accessible. My guns are close by along with ammo.
    out of sight, easy to get to but not loaded.
    If you need to be ready at the drop of a hat should someone break in, why not keep all your firearms loaded? Maybe you could wear a pair of six shooters around the house. Just because you haven't had a problem doesn't
    mean your way is correct. Where do you think the kids are getting the guns they take to school. Walmart? They may not get them from their own parent, but as stolen from someone else who was careless. The school and campus shootings are a prime example of what can happen when kids get depressed, snap, and have easy access to firearms. Remember the shooters here never did this before, just this first time and the last especially when they turn the weapon on themself. Why do you think no one attacks a school with explosives? It's locked away and laws won't let just anyone have it. But we have guns all over the place. Even hiding weapons under the seat of your
    vehicle as some have stated here which is against the law. I think guns are cool. I love to target shoot. Don't hunt........never had much of a reason to kill something for sport.
    Like I said before, I support the right to own firearms to sane and responsible
    people. But it seems like just about every time I hear someone that owns lots of firearms and what comes out of their mouth........you'd think we were still living in the OLD WEST. They make their own laws and reasons to justify them and disregard our present laws if it doesn't suit them. Not all are like this but many.
    One last thing........going by your chart, are you not letting your children drive? It is the most dangerous you know.
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    • #17
      beer fridge lock

      Well what started as a dad wanting to stop the kids from getting his beer while gone has went to a bunch of rules and regs about injurys and how much people get hurt and by what, which is not bad but you have to keep in mind IF THEY WANT IT BAD ENOUGH THEY WILL GET IT SOME WAY! I know this first hand from my younger days of drinking and smokeing dope and all it got me was a huge headace and broke the next day so I said to myself this has to stop and I did just that.

      Now about the gun issue my dad and I have guns and hunted for years until he couldn't go any more then he gave me all the guns for me and my 2 boys 7 & 8yrs but they know not to play with them period!!!! and they are just fine but we also have some friends of oours who have to boys that have been around guns all there lives hunted,shot trap,skeet until one day there parents were called by the police as a result of a shooting at there house involving the boys which by the way were around 16-17yrs of age the one boy was shot near the hip-groin area and to this day not one of them will tell the truth as to what really happened, so it does'nt matter what you do to teach your kids right or wrong if they want somoething bad enough they will do whatever it takes to do it, BUT if your one of the lucky parents in this crazy world we live in that has trained your children up with good values and has not had any problems with them doing drugs,beer,meth or any other stuff you should be thankfull and give your kids a big hug and tell them you love them for that because that is very rare in this day and age.

      Also I had a party at the folks house once when they went away after being told not to and come to find out some one helped them selves to the freezer which by the way dad had just bought a half of beef which was locked in the pole barn were yep your right I UNLOCKED IT FOR THE PARTY and didn't know it until the next day.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by monte55 View Post
        People are killed or wounded every day by guns that are too easily accessible. My guns are close by along with ammo.
        out of sight, easy to get to but not loaded.
        People are killed because they can't get to their gun or load it fast enough also.
        Originally posted by monte55 View Post
        If you need to be ready at the drop of a hat should someone break in, why not keep all your firearms loaded?
        I don't think I'd need ALL of them loaded.

        Originally posted by monte55 View Post
        Maybe you could wear a pair of six shooters around the house.
        Odds are that if somebody broke in, I would be in the bed. If not, I'm sure I could run and have my gun in my hand and have a couuple rounds into the person before you could get your trigger lock off and load it.
        Originally posted by monte55 View Post
        Where do you think the kids are getting the guns they take to school. Walmart? They may not get them from their own parent, but as stolen from someone else who was careless.
        There are places in the house that my kids are not allowed to go. For example, what business would they have in my bedroom? If I have a kid that's cutting him/herself, doing that stupid goth stuff, or other indicators are there, I will act accordingly. I don't think every kid needs to be given a gun for their birthday, or taught to shoot. If my kid's always in trouble, fighting, acting up, I would likely feel the danger of them getting my guns was greater than the need to protect the family from an external threat.
        Originally posted by monte55 View Post
        The school and campus shootings are a prime example of what can happen when kids get depressed, snap, and have easy access to firearms. Remember the shooters here never did this before, just this first time and the last especially when they turn the weapon on themself.
        How many had indicators of problems, such as poor grades, violent history at home, self-mutilation, or other things? ALL of them.
        Originally posted by monte55 View Post
        Why do you think no one attacks a school with explosives?
        Cause it's more work. You can buy ammo and black powder more easily than you can buy a gun. Some of these school shooters were found to have plans for bomb making.

        Originally posted by monte55 View Post
        Even hiding weapons under the seat of your
        vehicle as some have stated here which is against the law.
        I dont know where you are, but it's not illegal here, if you have a permit to carry one.
        Originally posted by monte55 View Post
        But it seems like just about every time I hear someone that owns lots of firearms and what comes out of their mouth........you'd think we were still living in the OLD WEST.
        When the majority of people carried guns, we didn't have mass murders, did we?
        Originally posted by monte55 View Post
        They make their own laws and reasons to justify them and disregard our present laws if it doesn't suit them. Not all are like this but many.
        Personally, I'm 100% legal. I have no illegal guns, no stolen guns, and have the permit to carry legally. There's no need for me to break laws to protect myself and my family.
        Originally posted by monte55 View Post
        One last thing........going by your chart, are you not letting your children drive? It is the most dangerous you know.
        They're not old enough to drive, but they do swim...and drowning kills many more than firearms do. The point is that firearms aren't as common of a cause of death as many people make them out to be. They don't think twice about electrical outlets that are unprotected, or drowning, but worry about guns.

        But, some people just like to think we're heading for a utopia where nobody will have guns. Myself, I'll gladly give up ALL my guns...just as soon as they can get all the guns from the criminals.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Engloid View Post
          Myself, I'll gladly give up ALL my guns...just as soon as they can get all the guns from the criminals.
          Uhhh, not so quick, Engloid,,,,,, the reason our founding fathers wrote in the right to keep and bear arms was for protection from the government, not criminals .......

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          • #20
            Originally posted by calweld View Post
            Uhhh, not so quick, Engloid,,,,,, the reason our founding fathers wrote in the right to keep and bear arms was for protection from the government, not criminals .......
            Pretty much the same thing isn't it?
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            • #21
              Originally posted by calweld View Post
              Uhhh, not so quick, Engloid,,,,,, the reason our founding fathers wrote in the right to keep and bear arms was for protection from the government, not criminals .......
              I think we know that we're helpless against the govt already, aren't we?

              If we weren't, we'd not be paying so much for gas, have so many taxes, etc. We have so little control over our government (which is so huge and powerful) that it's a huge problem.

              As I said before...if they get the guns from the criminals, I'll give up mine also. The risk is greater that I'll need a firearm to defend myself against a criminal than I will against my government.

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              • #22
                Many are injured or killed because they DO have quick access to a firearm in a moment of anger or fear...road rage etc. although there may have been an alternative action. But shooting them is so much easier.

                I'm sure that some of the ones that have done the school shootings have given indications of being troubled but with parents that are "TOO BUSY" it is not always recognized untill it's too late

                If one has a permit to carry, there is no reason to HIDE a gun.

                Maybe the reason we didn't have mass murder when most carried a firearm, in the Wild West Days, and I'm not sure we didn't, is that we shot others for stealing our horse, cattle, not accepting whiskey, or just looking at us wierd. We just killed a little every day not leaving enough left to be a mass. Look at the life span of
                Jessie James and the like. So much for the Golden Years.

                Many parents may never find out what their Angelic children did while they
                were bringing home the Bacon. I'm sure many have been shocked.

                If a young child get a set of cowboy guns, a toy assualt rifle etc. as a gift for Christmas or a birthday, they run around and play shooting at one another. I've never seen children simulate a wild safari hunt. Thanks to the violent movies and video games we have offered them to learn from. They have been taught a gun is the ultimate answer. Sad, don't you think?

                Engloid.....if children make it through the adolescent stage of life and
                survive, I congratulate the parents.
                Thanks for sharing your views and being a part of the forum.
                We'll talk again. Have a good day.

                Nick
                Last edited by monte55; 02-19-2008, 04:34 PM.
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                • #23
                  I was in the marines and my 2 boys [now 17 and 22] grew up playing Marines, pretending to shoot at everybody!!!! I personnally dont believe in all the feel good, time out crap and I think if somebody steals your horse, they should be shot Our society has become spoiled and growing a bunch of sissys for kids.. Teach the kids about things like guns, beer, boot in the butt etc. They are not stupid. If we as parents dont teach em someone else will. Most of all you cant spend enough time with them. And I dont mean just playing. Make em work too. I was always with my dad, and my boys were always with me, funny at 17 and 22 they still are, We work and play together still.

                  Phew, that feels better

                  Its an important topic and thanks for everybodys views, even if I don't agree...Your entitled!
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                  • #24
                    Uuh, I have a bungee cord on my beer fridge.


                    Oh I also own lots of weapons, most are locked up, the others won't be found.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by monte55 View Post
                      If one has a permit to carry, there is no reason to HIDE a gun.
                      Texas law requires the permit holder to CONCEAL the gun. It's unlawful to carry it exposed.
                      Jim

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Jim-TX View Post
                        Texas law requires the permit holder to CONCEAL the gun. It's unlawful to carry it exposed.

                        ha ha ha ha...Go texas
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by HMW View Post
                          I was in the marines and my 2 boys [now 17 and 22] grew up playing Marines, pretending to shoot at everybody!!!! I personnally dont believe in all the feel good, time out crap and I think if somebody steals your horse, they should be shot Our society has become spoiled and growing a bunch of sissys for kids.. Teach the kids about things like guns, beer, boot in the butt etc. They are not stupid. If we as parents dont teach em someone else will. Most of all you cant spend enough time with them. And I dont mean just playing. Make em work too. I was always with my dad, and my boys were always with me, funny at 17 and 22 they still are, We work and play together still.

                          Phew, that feels better

                          Its an important topic and thanks for everybodys views, even if I don't agree...Your entitled!


                          you said it.... even though i am too young/impatient to have kids (maybe in ten years) i agree that kids (even though some of you may think i are one) are being raised like girly men. you can see it on tv, in your neighborhoods, we have a "thug" problem from the ones around here.

                          i was raised around guns i was shooting when i was 5 years old. it takes away form the curiosity and helps prevent accidents ,and acts of stupidity.

                          And as for you being a Marine i say thank you, i didnt even go to my high school graduation,because i was in Marine Corps bootcamp . my dad was in the Navy,my mother was in the Air Force,my brother was Navy,and my granddad was in the Army.i never finished bootcamp i blew out my knee with two weeks remaining,and was given a medical discharge

                          as for having a CHL, i dont have one i got a BAD temper. but i do like the new castle doctrine they just passed
                          Last edited by welderman23; 02-20-2008, 06:39 PM.
                          my daddy always said i was IRONHEADED....
                          feel free to P/M me

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                          • #28
                            Man, and I thought I drank alot of Beer, check out the size of that storage container....Paul, LOL
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                            • #29
                              welderman23

                              Sucks about almost making it to the end of boot camp after getting so close.
                              Your family about hit up every branch of service, thats pretty cool
                              Scott
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                              • #30
                                except the coast guard
                                my daddy always said i was IRONHEADED....
                                feel free to P/M me

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