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  • #31
    Hmm, build a tool box or buy one and reinforce it with aluminum sheets and stainless or if your on a budget, mild steel. I say stainless and aluminum because it will be harder for the thief to try and cut it with a grinder and impossible with a OA torch. Bolt that sucker down to the concrete/wall and when you are ready to pack up for the night, put the welder, grinders and other expensive tools in there. Forget Masterlocks and ANY padlock you get at Lowes, HD etc! Get an Abloy padlock or pucklock, they are far superior than anything else period!

    A box like structure with lots of flat metal that is fully enclosed is alot harder to try and grind or even plasma through. Run square tubing within the box structure to make it even more of a chore to cut through. Grinders can cut less than half of the diameter of their blade until they are maxed out.

    You gotta think what types of shapes of metals are hard to cut through when you are fabbing up stuff and apply that to your security enclosure.

    Another good, cheap, and easy way to make it difficult for someone to try and make off with your welders is to back up an old truck or car to the machines carefully and then take out a fuse or something.

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    • #32
      Common around here. After the first break in you go and buy new stuff so they hit you again to (surprise) get the new stuff they KNOW you will have.

      Anyway, my father always said it is harder to pull a locked door open than it is to break it in
      Gordie -- "I believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."

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      • #33
        you can build a cage with expanded metal and 1 1/2 tube. The kind they use on logging trucks. I think 1/4 in. It will make 4x8 squares. Make it big so you can put all your tools in.(say the length of your wall) The door big so you can wheel out tool chests and elders. Once you have a cage get a electric fence box(the big ones that burn grass and brush when it touches the fence). Put the box in your house with a switch so I can only be turned on and off from insode your home and raise the line or bury it.

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        • #34
          Hi, new on this forum, first post from Australia......weeeeee.

          On the subject of security it's best to know where the things you've got pinched are right now.....so you or the cops can go get them and the guys who now have them.

          There is a small security device on Ebay that costs $35 looks like a small box of matches in size and runs on an inbuilt battery for 80 hours, normally it is connected to the main power supply of the equipment being guarded but when the equipment is disconnected from the mains the in built battery powers it for up to 80 hours, approx 3 1/2 days etc.

          It works on the GPS system and has a sim card inside it.

          The device is normally dormant until you access it, IE it doesn't send a radio signal out all the time for someone to detect it.

          If you want to track the whereabouts of the item removed, you send a coded message to the device, like as if it is a cell phone, and the device sends a message back to your cell phone and it will tell you the co-ordinates of it's whereabouts down to 5 metres, then you go on Google Earth and check where those co-ordinates are....bingo you have your goods back.

          Being so small you can hide it anywhere inside the equipment without it being detected, and it doesn't have any indicator lights to give away it's position to a searcher.

          This worked for an Ipad that got stolen from an airport recently and the Ipad got asked where it was and a baggage handler got booked for theft.....cool.
          Ian.

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          • #35
            I don't know how much room you have but a good safe storage space is a 20 ft shipping container. They can be bought fairly cheap and are pretty tough to get into, especially if you fab up a bar through the doors with a shielded lock box. The top makes good loft storage if your shop is tall too.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by pukesniffer View Post
              Once you have a cage get a electric fence box(the big ones that burn grass and brush when it touches the fence).
              I'd rather use 550VAC.

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              • #37
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by marblearch View Post

                  There is a small security device on Ebay that costs $35 looks like a small box of matches in size and runs on an inbuilt battery for 80 hours, normally it is connected to the main power supply of the equipment being guarded but when the equipment is disconnected from the mains the in built battery powers it for up to 80 hours, approx 3 1/2 days etc.

                  It works on the GPS system and has a sim card inside it.

                  The device is normally dormant until you access it, IE it doesn't send a radio signal out all the time for someone to detect it.

                  If you want to track the whereabouts of the item removed, you send a coded message to the device, like as if it is a cell phone, and the device sends a message back to your cell phone and it will tell you the co-ordinates of it's whereabouts down to 5 metres, then you go on Google Earth and check where those co-ordinates are....bingo you have your goods back.

                  Being so small you can hide it anywhere inside the equipment without it being detected, and it doesn't have any indicator lights to give away it's position to a searcher.

                  This worked for an Ipad that got stolen from an airport recently and the Ipad got asked where it was and a baggage handler got booked for theft.....cool.
                  Ian.
                  Just read your post. Please provide a link or a name of the device you mentioned. I did a quick seach on ebay and was overwhelmed by the amount of anti-theft stuff.

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                  • #39
                    Hi, I didn't save the Ebay items, but if you browse the various security devices like trackers and listening devices you'll find them.

                    They all work with a sim card and use the GPS system to transmit back to you when called....they are dormant until you send the coded message.

                    I'm considering getting one for my car, so that if it gets "moved" I'll know exactly where it is.

                    There's one that looks like a wristwatch and is worn on the wrist....it shows the time in one mode like a watch and GPS position in another......you can also send a coded text message to the watch from your cellphone and it will send back it's position, which is checked on Google Earth.


                    One that might be of interest is the "listener"....size of a matchbox, you place it in a position, wherever, leave the location and by sending a code to it with your cell phone it turns on and sends all sounds around it back to you....pretty sneaky, but it does tell you what is happening when you're not there.
                    Ian.

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                    • #40
                      Is this the kind of thing you are talking about?

                      http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-A8-GPS-...item484b95a173

                      Nice idea, but the battery charge only lasts 12 days.

                      I wonder if you could hardwire the battery charger into your welder and hide both inside somehow. Then you could leave the welder plugged in and it would keep the unit charged.

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                      • #41
                        Hi, yes, that's one of the things I mentioned, there are also a number of others, but at that price it's dirt cheap, but limited in useage.

                        There is a limitation with this one you showed, it will only send back sound signals, like for listening in on conversations etc, so it won't send the location.

                        If you do see one on Ebay, check that it will send back location and that it has a built in battery........some need to be attached to a vehicle wiring system and have no battery, so not suitable for a welder or other mobile piece of equipment.

                        I see one for $70 that does send location and has a rechargeable lithium battery, and I think this would be suitable for a location like a welder that has power at some time, so that the battery can be recharged while it's dormant.

                        If I can get the link I'll post it so you can see what it looks like, but it will be in Australia, so as it comes from Hong Kong, they should be available in the USA too.
                        Ian.
                        Last edited by marblearch; 11-19-2012, 07:36 PM. Reason: correction to information.

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                        • #42
                          That one does mention that it shows location; sound is optional.

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                          • #43
                            I built a cage in the corner of my shop and put e everything in their.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by marblearch View Post

                              I'm considering getting one for my car, so that if it gets "moved" I'll know exactly where it is.
                              I am an amateur radio operator and we have similar tracking system, called APRS. I have devices installed in all 6 vehicles that we have here, the moment they are powered on it transmits my call sign with a unique identifier for each device and the location continuously. The location signal is transmitted on VHF radio frequencies which are monitored nationwide 24/7. Not only do I get vehicle location, but when in motion I also get speed information.

                              I have three teenage drivers so the system is very useful for me!!!

                              When the vehicle is turned off it transmits a few more times before going into sleep mode.

                              I can track them from inside my own vehicle or I can also track from this web site ..... http://aprs.fi/#!lat=39.54540&lng=-76.32510

                              If you check out the map there you can keep track of all kinds of things including marine vessels in port and at sea.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Frank R View Post
                                That one does mention that it shows location; sound is optional.
                                Hi, yes, just re-read the specs, it's got position monitoring......the one on Ebay in OZ looks the same casing with the small Andoid logo, but it only sends sound , like for conversation snooping.....LOL.

                                With 12 days standby, it would be ideal, especially if it transmitted through the outer casing of a welder etc.
                                Ian.

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