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  • #16
    Originally posted by Broccoli1 View Post
    Do not bad mouth your former employer.

    Your new employer sure does not want to hear it and any customers you may have, if you start your own Biz, do not want to hear it.
    Very wise advice, you never know who knows who.
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    • #17
      Great advice, I'll add another thought from a different business, but the idea can have broad application to any new small business starting out.

      My sons started a business from scratch last year installing, finishing and refinishing hardwood floors. They have been building their business steadily, but still have excess capacity. Their closest competitor has been in the business for 20+ years, and because they are so well known, they often get overbooked. When they do, they call my sons and offload work to my sons' business. They have steered many, many $Ks of work to my boys, who gladly pull their (magnetic) business signs off their truck when they do those jobs. They are also very careful not to do anything that might be construed as "stealing" a customer, they build their business from their own advertising and promotions. In fact, their competitor's master installer has taught my youngest son everything about installation by hiring him, off and on, as a helper when he needs one to meet a deadline. It may be possible to build that kind of relationship with your competition, if you produce quality work, treat them with respect, and are careful not to burn any bridges.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by BamaBob View Post
        Great advice, I'll add another thought from a different business, but the idea can have broad application to any new small business starting out.

        My sons started a business from scratch last year installing, finishing and refinishing hardwood floors. They have been building their business steadily, but still have excess capacity. Their closest competitor has been in the business for 20+ years, and because they are so well known, they often get overbooked. When they do, they call my sons and offload work to my sons' business. They have steered many, many $Ks of work to my boys, who gladly pull their (magnetic) business signs off their truck when they do those jobs. They are also very careful not to do anything that might be construed as "stealing" a customer, they build their business from their own advertising and promotions. In fact, their competitor's master installer has taught my youngest son everything about installation by hiring him, off and on, as a helper when he needs one to meet a deadline. It may be possible to build that kind of relationship with your competition, if you produce quality work, treat them with respect, and are careful not to burn any bridges.
        This is known as professional courtesy and I applaud it, you should be proud.

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        • #19
          You have to move on sometimes

          I was working for a boat trailer mass manufacturer here and the shop supervisor knew very little about trailers. I think they got him from another branch of the company. His job was to turn up production while keeping labor costs the same. I was a wiring and step plate installer. We were supposed to literally run from one trailer to the next. Some of the trailer lights weren't even tested before shipping off!! When they started demanding 6 day workweeks, workers started being no shows on the sixth day. I worked my sixth day but made up my mind to move on to a better organized employer. The pays the same.

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          • #20
            that mandatory 6 day weeks is just BS. ok so offer over time to those that want it . but don't force it on every one.
            my wife took a job as a seamstress making the pro football, hockey and B-Ball uniforms. she was hired on as part time 3 day a week. she literally got more done in 3 days then most do in 6 (the super told her that) but she was told she would have to do 60Hr weeks or they would let her go ??? how stupid is that ?? they were getting 60Hrs worth of work out of her and paying for 30 but that was just not enough for them. the wife loved the job but with a family she just cant be at work 10 Hrs a day for 6 days strait. it just wears her down and she is a real be-ouich. so as much as she loved the job she had to let them fire her. bummer really, wish they had never hired her in the first place. she really like the job. some people just cant to 60 Hrs and the employers should respect them.
            at some point you have to say being a team player is one thing, neglecting your self or your family is another.

            stand your ground and do whats right for you and your family. put this behind you and start fresh. i agree the new employer will not want to hear you bad mouthing the old one. let it go and move on.
            good luck
            thanks for the help
            ......or..........
            hope i helped
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            • #21
              I can't add much to what Tackmig & others have said,
              but even going back and working there:

              Only thing I can add is that relationship wise, they've 'poisoned the well'.
              There will forever be resentment from others in the shop,
              and the idea that management 'had' to pay you so much to get ya back.

              I wouldn't give them any more loyalty & devotion than they showed for you,
              and-- its not too late to keep looking for a better job,
              where your talents are better recognized and appreciated.

              .
              "Gone are the days of wooden ships, and Iron men.
              I doubt we'll see either of their likes again".

              Circa 1920.
              Author:
              Unknown US Coast Guard unit Commander.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by fun4now View Post
                at some point you have to say being a team player is one thing, neglecting your self or your family is another.
                Its amazing how one minute your part of the "team", and could you make a sacrifice for the "team" when the shop is behind in production. (12 houtr days in over 110 degree heat) Then as soon as things slow down and theres a conflict between the "old' timers and the new guys (myself) they're the first to point out you're at the bottom of the pecking order and dump on you. The minute I hear the word "team" mentioned I start getting some real strong bad vibrations.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by shorerider16 View Post
                  . The minute I hear the word "team" mentioned I start getting some real strong bad vibrations.
                  True. And another twist on that--
                  I got a buddy that when he interviews for a job, and they start talking about how the company is really more like a family than just a business,,,,
                  That's his signal to get up & leave.

                  His experience with them has always been:
                  You do ALL the work, and 'Mom & Dad' keep ALL the money.

                  .
                  "Gone are the days of wooden ships, and Iron men.
                  I doubt we'll see either of their likes again".

                  Circa 1920.
                  Author:
                  Unknown US Coast Guard unit Commander.

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                  • #24
                    You do ALL the work, and 'Mom & Dad' keep ALL the money.


                    sounds like my family
                    thanks for the help
                    ......or..........
                    hope i helped
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by fun4now View Post
                      You do ALL the work, and 'Mom & Dad' keep ALL the money.


                      sounds like my family
                      Or "You do all the work and make it look pretty and I'll take the credit, afterall, I approved for you to buy the material"
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                      • #26
                        Well that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Obviously they don't respect your quality of work. From My experience you never tell anyone how much you make unless you trust them with you life literally and then maybe tell them.
                        I've made more then people twice my age and so called experience but it was not that I was so good but that they sucked. You did the right thing by leaving. They would have reduced your pay no matter what. when politics is involved there is little logic used and you can't win.
                        And being certified doesn't mean S*#T in my book I can weld better then most cert welders in my area And I'm just a rod burner.
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                        • #27
                          what would you do?

                          Thanks guys for all your input on this, it's just frustrating that when you go to work for a company and they want the best you can do for what your paid and you go another level above that to the point when customers ask for you by name to weld-up there product, which they pay alot of money for the custom work that go's in there trailers instead of the newbie who's not sure or you have to watch them all the time to make sure its done right(not knocking the newbies) but you now what I'm talking about, if customers know your good at your work they will pay extra for it.

                          And no I don't trash the other company to any body because it always comes back sooner or later, but I do know that since I left they have lost several big customers because of the lack in knowledge,quality,attitude of the customers needs for ther trailers,and because I'm no longer there.

                          The customers that left have contacted me at different times to see about getting stuff done for them when they are in the area or to come to ther shops and do it for them there, with travel & gas,lodging paid for the time I'm working, which does'nt seem all bad of a deal? but the wife says no travel if they want you to weld it for them then they can pay to have a bigger shop to do it for them(hmm,hmm) just sign the bottom of the check and I'll fill in the rest
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                          • #28
                            DON'T go back ... three reasons ...

                            First, the supervisor you like, he had problems once, if he has them again you'll probably be out too.

                            Second, the relationship will never be the same, both with your superiors and with your fellow workers. Many companies, just for this reason, have a "no rehire" policy, once you leave, you're gone for good.

                            Third, you already know the views of the top management of the company; do you really want to go back to that again?

                            DO start making yourself known in the community; potential clients, potential employers, make sure people know who you are and what your capabilities are. In a low-key way, don't be pushy. And don't be too "proud" talking to others, the guy sweeping the floors today might be the one owning the company in 5 years, he might even be the one that owns it right now!!

                            This will help whatever you end up doing, going out on your own or getting a better job. The best jobs always seem to be when an employer calls you, offering you a position, then you can write your own ticket, and you'd be surprised what some employers are willing to do to get an employee they really want. All you have to do afterwards, of course, is produce.

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                            • #29
                              Stay humble, your work ethic will probe itself in the long run. Have you REALLY thought of doing your own business?Figure out the gas, insurance, space/shop rent, etc. don't worry about the liability, sounds like you know how to make trailers already!!! Figure all the cost in, and humbly (not kissing any a**), but inside you are still smirking as you leave and be their competitor...Just say "sorry, I can't afford to work here anymore"
                              Good luck, and keep us informed of what happens...
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