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    Hi guys .. first post here .
    been welding a long time started with gas , then stick , then mig , on to tig .. been building my business up over the past 6 yrs ... but been welding aprox 20 yrs , home hobbies projects and so on .

    ok enough about me
    recently I decided to build a motorcycle trailer for my self out of Aluminum , as thatís what im dealing with these days in my biz ..had bought a P.O.S Steel trailer and thought .. I can do better .

    So we started out doing some in Tig Aluminum with my Dynasty 200 at 200 amps , but it takes a while to heat up 1/4 inch material , so got the frame tacked together and drove to the Miller store .. after doing some research here and the web .
    ok now we are on the way home with a new (Miller 211 with spool gun ) $1300.00 later

    ok , after reading instructions and checking settings .. time to start welding right .. needless to say as far as factory settings there out the window .. with in 15 min burned back and destroyed 5 tips .. so back to the welding store for more tips and ask some questions .

    from my experience you need to run about 20% higher on wire speed with the Aluminum spool gun then stock settings call for
    just a FYI .

    FOR INSTANCE the chart says for .250 thickness run 7/75 I find best results at 7.25 and 100 wire speed .. this keeps the arc aprox 1/8 to 1/4 out of the puddle as this is what they refer to as spray welding ...if you contact the puddle ..lots of spatter .. yup its not the same as mig steel .

    all and all im happy with the machine for speed and penetration.. some of the welding gets sooty some dosent .. depending on angle of the gun speed and so on .. but im getting better with it .

    Don

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    here are som pics
    Don
    Attached Files

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    • #3
      Nice job Don.
      What does the trailer weigh?

      Ji
      Grip it and Rip it

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      • #4
        do trailers need to be heat treated?
        what was the cost to weight savings ratio? its a lovely trailer but seems like a steel project to me.
        how hard was it to get it registered?
        whats the cargo capacity?

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        • #5
          Nice work...Bob
          Bob Wright

          Spool Gun conversion. How To Do It. Below.
          http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...php?albumid=48

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          • #6
            The weight of the bare frame alone was 90 lbs with out rails or axels .
            material 3 x 2 requtangular tube 6061-t6511 extruded 1/8 th wall

            The steel trailer I bought with steel wheels weighs in at 495 lbs .. the aluminum unit with aluminum whees weighs in at 280 lbs

            where I live, all thats needed is bills for materials and a weight slip to get it regestered.

            5.5 foot tong to the cross member makes for good tracking and easy backing up

            I prefere torsion axels over spring . 2000 lb axle .. this unit has stub axels .. there nice cause you can make the width anything you want , over the standard sizes Dexter builds full axles in .

            im currently building 3 more with some changes .. built a jig to make things faster .. i have had 3 people ask me to build one for them ... the rails were built on a 5.5 inch inside width .. Harleys and croch rocket's have wider rear tires , so the next ones getting a diamond plate deck and locking wheel chocks .

            plane Jane trailer.. with diamond plate deck and steel wheels will be $1450.00

            the black trailer is the one I bought Prior .. the ramp mounts inverted under the back of the trailer .. looks like part of the trailer easy to miss on the Aluminum unit .

            here are more pics
            Attached Files
            Last edited by Alumitech; 12-09-2010, 06:36 PM.

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            • #7
              I see you have a nice stack of alum radiators in one pic. What are they for?...Bob
              Bob Wright

              Spool Gun conversion. How To Do It. Below.
              http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...php?albumid=48

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              • #8
                Originally posted by aametalmaster View Post
                I see you have a nice stack of alum radiators in one pic. What are they for?...Bob
                that would be my regular business
                if you care to take a peek
                www.AlumitechReproductions.com
                Don

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                • #9
                  Hi Don,
                  So if you used 3 x 2 x 1/8 ali section what was the steel one made from?

                  Ji
                  Grip it and Rip it

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                  • #10
                    are you using 5356 filler?
                    when i first start playing with my MM211 and spool gun. I bought a roll of 5356 aluminum wire and it welded like crap burnt up all my tips on the factory setting. I went back to the store to get more tips and to try some 4043 filler. The guy at the store thought it was weird the 5356 wasn't working. so we called miller and they don't recommend using anything but 4043 on the MM211. got my rolls of 4043 and seems to work great.
                    Dynasty 200DX
                    MillerMatic 211
                    Hypertherm Max 42

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by andyman View Post
                      are you using 5356 filler?
                      when i first start playing with my MM211 and spool gun. I bought a roll of 5356 aluminum wire and it welded like crap burnt up all my tips on the factory setting. I went back to the store to get more tips and to try some 4043 filler. The guy at the store thought it was weird the 5356 wasn't working. so we called miller and they don't recommend using anything but 4043 on the MM211. got my rolls of 4043 and seems to work great.
                      yes 4043 is in the spool gun .. im finding better results with the settings and more angle with the gun ... still some soot
                      Don

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Alumitech View Post
                        that would be my regular business
                        if you care to take a peek
                        www.AlumitechReproductions.com
                        Don
                        Those are nice radiators. I could see one in my '64 T Bolt clone project. I have a nice 4 row cross flow but alum would look nicer...Bob
                        Bob Wright

                        Spool Gun conversion. How To Do It. Below.
                        http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...php?albumid=48

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by andyman View Post
                          are you using 5356 filler?
                          when i first start playing with my MM211 and spool gun. I bought a roll of 5356 aluminum wire and it welded like crap burnt up all my tips on the factory setting. I went back to the store to get more tips and to try some 4043 filler. The guy at the store thought it was weird the 5356 wasn't working. so we called miller and they don't recommend using anything but 4043 on the MM211. got my rolls of 4043 and seems to work great.
                          I have run .030" 5356 SuperGlaze with my 211 / Spoolmate 100 with no problem... Sometimes you have to turn those knobs on the front of that little blue box!

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                          • #14
                            Don,
                            Not to hijack your thread... but I'm looking for a source for just aluminum
                            cores. Want to build my own tanks, brackets etc.
                            Any online source you can suggest?
                            Thanks
                            Dave P.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by FM117 View Post
                              Don,
                              Not to hijack your thread... but I'm looking for a source for just aluminum
                              cores. Want to build my own tanks, brackets etc.
                              Any online source you can suggest?
                              Thanks
                              Dave P.
                              you can contact
                              http://howeracing.com/ they have and sell cores
                              Don

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