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    Ok so I just had a carrier change I have always had good experiences welding so that’s what I choose as my new profession. I will mainly be doing pipe fence, truck repair, wrought iron, some custome auto stuff, and light commercial. I am looking at a ranger 305d, but I also know there is a chance I will want to weld pipeline some time so my question is this very few welders have a blue machine for pipelining and almost all have a pipeliner or a classic of some sort or something like that, Will a ranger 305d handle pipeline? I mean it’s the welder that has the skill not the machine, or is showing up with a ranger305d like brining a popgun to the ok corral?

    JE
    Last edited by jake of all trades; 11-12-2010, 03:05 PM.

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    Please answer

    Come on som one has to have the answer to my question please answer.

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    • #3
      While I find people here very helpful and not blindly brand loyal you do have to realize that you probably won't find a bunch of Lincoln experts on the Miller forum.

      You may want to try posting your question at weldingweb and the aws forum.

      Good luck,
      Ken

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      • #4
        Lincoln makes a better portable

        The reason you see so many pipe guys running lincolns (SA 200/Vantage) is because there arc quality is better for that particular application, and they are very reliable, when your job takes you around the country, and the contractor is dependent on you to keep the schedule you can't afford a break down, and if you do break down it has to be a quick easy fix, the machine must run 12hrs a day 6-7 days a week (even more if you run it to power your trailer) not many machines can handle that demand, the smaller less expensive machines (trailblazer/ranger) require more oil changes, maintenance, and fuel. Years ago I had a ranger 8 I had to change the oil every 50 hrs, on my vantage its every 200 hrs. On the smaller machines after about 2000 hrs the maintenance becomes even more frequent because they simply run alot harder and hotter. That said if you are going to do all your pipe work in town and your not going to travel or take on any really demanding jobs you'll be fine with almost anything.

        The larger machines are also alot quieter too (you have listen to it all day long)
        Last edited by Woodweld1; 11-12-2010, 06:02 PM.

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        • #5
          You are in the welding projects section.
          You will get way more readers on the welding discussions section.

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          • #6
            if you are out on the road and running that machine for more than 4 to 5 hours per day and running hard, then a diesel drive would be the better option... less fuel usage, longer engine life, and a heck of a lot quieter..... albeit, i am NOT a lincoln fan, ive heard good things about the 305, but boil it down and its still just a gas burner. ...

            as stated before, you have to listen to it when youre working, after having a diesel machine, i wont go back to a gas burner again

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            • #7
              The 305d is a diesel, but a high rpm diesel.

              My personal opinion is that if you are in a industry that has other diesel equipment or off highway diesel pumps then the small diesels may make sense.

              If you are buying a unit to use for heavy daily use then a low rpm diesel is a better investment.

              If you are using it for more moderate use then a small gas or propane unit makes sense to me, or maybe a inverter run from a gen-set.

              With that in mind what one person likes to work with is different then the next.

              Ken

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              • #8
                Originally posted by KGIOR View Post
                The 305d is a diesel, but a high rpm diesel.

                Ken
                see.... told ya that i didnt know too much about em... i do agree that the low rpm diesels are the way to go if the machine runs more than 6 hours per day 6 days per week... my pro 300 ran 11 hours today for example, and only burned 3 gallons of diesel

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                • #9
                  I would likely get what I could afford and was the cheapest, its one thing to plan ahead but not always worth it for the "what if's" Early one I bought SA200 figuring I would at some point make it to pipeline, never worked out that way and finally bought a couple smaller cheaper units, way lighter, still haven't worn those out. The Linc was a waste of money for me, too big, too heavy, should have got small unit first and if and when I decided to hit the road would have gotten the machine I needed.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jake of all trades View Post
                    I am looking at a ranger 305d, but I also know there is a chance I will want to weld pipeline some time so my question is this very few welders have a blue machine for pipelining and almost all have a pipeliner or a classic of some sort or something like that, Will a ranger 305d handle pipeline? JE

                    I don't know where you live. If you're in Canada then disregard my advise because what they call pipelining differs greatly from American pipeline welding.
                    But if you're in the US, there are a limited number of machines suitable to the mainline construction work done here. If you are calling gathering systems (oil patch welding) or distribution work "pipelining", then you can disregard as well. But I'm "assuming" (right, right) you're talking about transmission line welding in the United States and in that case you will need one of the few machines used in that area. Those are: Miller PipePro, Any Lincoln SA-200, several of the Lincoln SA-250's, the Classic 3D's and 300D's, or a Vantage.
                    You really won't get a test with a machine that's not suitable and proven in that field.
                    A lot of people miss use the term pipelining, if the above doesn't apply to the work you're interested in then just ignore it and maybe someone can give you better info.

                    JTMcC

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sberry View Post
                      I would likely get what I could afford and was the cheapest,.

                      My take is based on feeding the kids for many years solely as a welder, but I've found that in welding machines (and all other tools as well) that "the cheapest" is rarely if ever my best choice.
                      The best money I've ever spent (work wise) has been on buying the highest quality tools I can afford. Again my living depends on me and my motly collection of machines/tools. They see constant, hard use in my world. Your world may differ.
                      Like my Dear Old Dad used to say, you get what you pay for. That sentiment is almost lost in todays Wallmart Made in China world. But not totally thank goodness.
                      For what it's worth I've bought a lot of top of the line, high quality tools used for less than the price of new cheap chineese junk. Many times at pawn shops. I've never regretted that.

                      JTMcC

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                      • #12
                        Yes, that was poorly worded, I should have said adequate.

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                        • #13
                          I dont know about 305d, but there are a lot more 305g's on the pipeline (Canadian version). One big reason is weight, DOT's are getting stupid with GVW's and road bans, and working in muskeg/soft ground heavy is not the best option. They weld pretty nice as far as I have used them for structural, however they will not burn 1/4" rod all day.... or half a day for that matter. They don't last as long as say a classic III but you can also buy 3 of them for the same price.

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                          • #14
                            There are certainly some classes of tools it pays to buy the best and others it makes some sense to be affordable and a lot of it personally I base on return on investment. Take battery tools, a homeowner type may be able to get by with a 80$ tool but the professional installer needs something better, time can be money and too cheap tool doesn't have the dependability or power needed. Tools have also changed a lot in many cases. With cheap common hand tools the quality has gone way up and the cost down, back in the day a China end wrench or adjustable wasn't worth much, now days a competitive quality 9/16 end wrench can be had for under 2$, in most cases it suffices and is a good option to a snappy at 30. They are well proven, we use them a lot.
                            In some sense is a Victor Journeyman torch a better unit, well yes providing there is a legit need but a super range has about the same life expectancy and is adequate for the fence/corral crowd at 1/3 the price, a better torch wont make the operator more money.
                            Specialists are obviously another matter, it makes sense that a SA is a better machine and has its place, it also cost twice what I paid for the bottom line AC/DC Weldanpower 210 I bought later but the cheap unit has done everything I ask of it as long as I need, ran 5/32 lo-hi as fast as I could chuck them in the stinger, even strapped a larger gas tank on top to give it a full day run time at one point. For me the cheap machine has been more profitable, lighter and has 6k generator that works better than advertised. If I wear it out still hasn't cost more per unit of work and has been depreciated, probably immaterial at that point and can be replaced. This is of course based on the fact it can do the work in the first place.
                            This goes back to the original poster, from personal experience, if I had to do it over I would likely buy a machine that sufficed, if things went well be keeping my head up for a deal or buy up when needed.
                            A machine I would certainly want in my arsenal anymore is a Maxstar 150 especially if I was doing light fab work like I did starting out, pay for itself in fuel savings in a hurry in many places. Obviously wont do much on a pipeline but in general fab work a real moneymaker especially where lots of idle time is involved.

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