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    Welding anodized aluminum
    I have welded alum anodized and never cleaned
    the process is simply a button on my tig torch
    Full amps a puddle rod stop then next puddle rod and so on
    This is the pipe welding process for anodized pipe

    I use a sink wave 250 ac
    All boat tops and towers are anodized either black silver or gold

    The process works on all aluminum you will have to clean dirt and grease
    Hope this helps

  • #2
    welding anodized alum

    just wondering how jcoldon accomplishes welding on anodized alum without removing anodized coating. In my experiences with anodized alum I've always seen higher quality finished product when removing anodizing. Doing something different?

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    • #3
      the anodizing is just like any other oxidation, if you have the power to blast threw it and float it out of the way you get a good weld. i have heard pulse can be used to help break up the anodizing but never tried it. just read about it on here.
      thanks for the help
      ......or..........
      hope i helped
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      • #4
        I recall way back when in the days of BMX riding, we would remove the anodizing from our bike parts with easy off oven cleaner. Spray it on, let it stand , wipe it off. the AL came out sorta luster and a buffing wheel made it quite glossy.

        the active ingredient that made this all possible is sodium hydroxide ( NaOH ). its found in Drano, lye, oven cleaner, some outdoor cleaners and laundry additives...
        Will it weld? I loooove electricity!

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        • #5
          Like fun4now, I think most tuna tower buiders do not remove it first. I read an article, I believe in Miller magazine, The guys there did not clean it off. I have done only 2 piece's and I removed it. It was for seats in a boat, so didnt take long. But it would take for ever on a whole tuna tower to remove all the anodize on each place it needed welding. If I find some more I'm going to try it.
          Scott
          HMW [Heavy Metal welding]

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          • #6
            hey... are you calling me a tuna tower

            LOL i just had to do it.
            thanks for the help
            ......or..........
            hope i helped
            sigpic
            feel free to shoot me an e-mail direct i have time to chat. james@newyorkmetalart.com
            summer is here, plant a tree. if you don't have space or time to plant one sponsor some one else to plant one for you. a tree is an investment in our planet, help it out.
            JAMES

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            • #7
              If the pipe fits...........
              Scott
              HMW [Heavy Metal welding]

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              • #8
                HMW,

                Don't know the OP's background, but basically what he says is right on the money.

                The larger marine fabrication shops (ie. Pipewelders) do not remove the anodizing prior to welding. To do so would be too time consuming/non cost effective.

                I learned a lot of what I know about marine fabrication from Edison Irvine (good friend of mine who's dad owns Pipewelders). He used to run the Cape May facility for Pipewelders (@ the Canyon Club).

                The best writeup I've ever seen on welding anodized aluminum was an expose done by Mike Sammons (product manager, Miller Electric Co.) on how Pipewelders pioneered this process. Article appeared in MetalForming magazine in November 1999. Article was called "Transforming Raw Materials into Reality. I haven't been able to find a link to the article, but, if you're really interested, I'll scan it and e-mail it to you.

                Ironically, Pipewelders developed the process using predominately the 330 ABP machines. As those machines reached maturity (ie. wore out) they were replaced by the Syncrowave 350's. I'll have to check with Ed to see how many of the Sync's have now been replaced by Dynasty's (you can bet that whatever the replacements will be, they will be BLUE. Miller and Pipewelders have been in bed together since the beginning).

                Let me know if you can't find the article.

                PS: After thinking about it I found the link. Try http://archive.metalformingmagazine..../11/miller.pdf

                Think you'll find it interesting and informative.
                Last edited by SundownIII; 12-17-2007, 01:03 PM. Reason: Additional info
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                • #9
                  So I guess my Dynasty 200 is underpowered to do it? I'm thining 1-1/2" schedule 40 aluminum "pipe?"
                  bert
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                  • #10
                    Bert,

                    Haven't used a Dynasty 200 much however I do have a friend with one and it's a sweet package for what it is. It does a great job on aluminum but, due to amp output and duty cycle, it's probably not the best machine for doing a lot of anodized aluminum. That's one of the reasons I, along with several others on this board, have been pushing Miller to come up with an inverter in the 250/275 range. Doesn't have to have all the "bells and whistles" of the Dyn 350, but a little more guts than the Dyn 200.

                    I run my Sync 250 at about 200-210A when doing this type work. The 200 just won't quite get there. Even with frequency adjustment (increase to narrow the arc) it comes up lacking in the ability to "blast" the oxidizing. Now a buddy of mine who does a lot of anodized fabrication, and used to use a Sync 250, has a Dynasty 300. Runs it at about 196-200A and raves about the machine as compared to the Sync. Duty cycle has never been an issue, since with this type of work, there's always a good deal of fitting/repositioning involved which helps with the duty cycle.

                    Don't get me wrong, the Dynasty 200 is a great machine and I'd love to own one. It's just that it won't quite replace a Sync 250. Is Miller listening? I think they are, especially since Lincoln just introduced a new 300A inverter.

                    Regardless, I hope that article put to rest the discussion about having to remove the oxidation prior to welding. I've said it all along, but that article details the process better than anything else I've seen. An experienced welder, using the on/off switch, will make it seem almost like a continuous weld. The foot pedal works well also, but mainly for "bench" type work.

                    Hope this helps.
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                    • #11
                      SundownIII,

                      Thats just what I was thinking, if my 180 is strained with some projects the dyn 200 is not much bigger.
                      Scott
                      HMW [Heavy Metal welding]

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                      • #12
                        from what i have heard the Dyn300 has a much stronger arc, or stiffer depending on how you want to describe it. but the 300 will do more with 200amps than the 200 will even within the 200's duty cycle. said to be a night and day difference between the 2 arc's. i suspect thats why he runs his Dyn300 at 200 amps with good results but would fall short with the Dyn200.
                        grab a used syncro 250 use it to make the $ ya need to get the Dyn350. then sell the syncro250 for $100.oo more than ya got it for.
                        all is good.
                        thanks for the help
                        ......or..........
                        hope i helped
                        sigpic
                        feel free to shoot me an e-mail direct i have time to chat. james@newyorkmetalart.com
                        summer is here, plant a tree. if you don't have space or time to plant one sponsor some one else to plant one for you. a tree is an investment in our planet, help it out.
                        JAMES

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                        • #13
                          Thanks SundownIII,
                          I saw a guy's truck rack on a friend's truck, he said he uses a Dyn200 but with a special tri-mix gas to get good penetration. He said it was his friend's secret, 'cause it was so much trial and error for him to find the right combination...Oh well, I'll just play with what I have
                          bert
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                          I'm just on Hawaiian Time

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                          • #14
                            Bert,

                            Don't want you to think that I'm putting the Dynasty 200 down in any aspect. In fact, I recently encouraged a friend of mine to seriously consider the Dynasty 200 over the Sync 250. The machine has so much going for it.

                            For the average guy, who's not doing production work, the Dynasty is probably a better all around machine. I know you mentioned that you wanted to get more into aluminum fabrication but didn't think we were talking about 4-5 hrs of arc time each day. I don't do that type of work myself. I've often thought about the advantages of being able to put a Dynasty, cooler, and small bottle in a cart and go anywhere in the yard versus firing up the forklift and moving the Sync.(with accessories).

                            I suspect Miller has something in the wind to fill the void between the Dynasty 200 and Dynasty 350. Guess I'll just have to let it play out and see where the price point is and whether I can justify it. I will say, that if the right deal came along on a good used Dynasty 300, I'd be hard pressed to take a pass.
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                            Miller XMT 304 w/714D Feeder & Optima Control
                            Miller MM 251 w/Q300 & 30A SG
                            Hobart HH187
                            Dialarc 250 AC/DC
                            Hypertherm PM 600 & 1250
                            Wilton 7"x12" bandsaw
                            PC Dry Cut Saw, Dewalt Chop Saw
                            Milwaukee 8" Metal Cut Saw, Milwaukee Portaband.
                            Thermco and Smith (2) Gas Mixers
                            More grinders than hands

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                            • #15
                              I have a dynasty 200 and been doing marine work for a few months now. My last big project were a pair of davits using 1.5" brushed finish alum. the machine worked great but I had a couple of shut downs due to high amp high freq settings I also got to weld 1/4" reinforcements plates to the 1.5" pipes.

                              The dyn 200 costs with s/h to Puerto Rico whith the contractor kit were around the $4k. The dyn 350 would go up to $10K and that was too much for my pocket. I hope in 2008 Miller will come up with something in the in between.

                              In Puerto Rico we are a hub of marine activity with lots of cruisers coming and going from the states and going to the VI,s".

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