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    i always used lincoln innershield nr 211 mp fluxcore wire 1lb spool for my lincoln weldpak. i saw cyber weld has hobart fluxcore wire 2lb spool. its only 14.40 for the hobart 2lb and usually buy the linclon for about 11.00 for a 1 pound. which is the better wire? thanks

  • #2
    I've always heard Lincoln runs better in the Lincoln. It sure runs better than the crap I've tried so far.
    Maybe a bigger spool of the good stuff?? Or will that machine accept that?
    I changed mine over to the big spool asap.
    Just gave it back to my son over thanksgiving.

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    • #3
      I use the 10 lb spools in my Weldpac HD. I tried the Hobart, once, and never will again. I use NR211-MP and that is all I use only now it's 25 lb spools in my suitcases, heheh. The funny thing is I get the best price on the Lincoln. Home Depot and Lowes have all the lws's beat on the price on the 2 lb and 10 lb spools. I get the 25 lb spools online.
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      • #4
        i dont know about flux core wire but i will only use hobart cert. content aluminum wire. ive tried just about everybody elses wire and i find that the hobart feeds better and welds better too.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jolly Roger View Post
          I use the 10 lb spools in my Weldpac HD. I tried the Hobart, once, and never will again. I use NR211-MP and that is all I use only now it's 25 lb spools in my suitcases, heheh. The funny thing is I get the best price on the Lincoln. Home Depot and Lowes have all the lws's beat on the price on the 2 lb and 10 lb spools. I get the 25 lb spools online.
          that is TRUE!!!!!!!!!! i use the lincoln

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          • #6
            Wire is wire

            The manufacturing spec's on wire are so tight that when you buy for example E71T-GS .030 - that is what you get. It isn't like comparing a burger from McDonalds & Burger King...

            In all realty - it's probably the same wire mfg for all brands - Made in China.

            SJMiller

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            • #7
              Originally posted by sjmiller View Post
              The manufacturing spec's on wire are so tight that when you buy for example E71T-GS .030 - that is what you get. It isn't like comparing a burger from McDonalds & Burger King...

              In all realty - it's probably the same wire mfg for all brands - Made in China.

              SJMiller
              There are big differences in wire quality!!!

              I don't know what Hobart wire you are specifically speaking of but I buy the Hobart Fabshield 21B, it is hands down better than the Lincoln 211 or 212 wires. More stable arc better feeding easier clean up. Now I purchase 12 inch spools of FC wire, in 0.045" and 5/64" I do not know if the 21B is available in small spools or not.
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              • #8
                Yup, I agree with Ron...huge differences in the wire brands. Besides, E71T-GS is a misc. spec. It is for all the fc wire that won't conform to any real specs. Fabshield 21B will run circles around NR211 easily. Much easier to control and clean up, too. I run both typically, but prefer 21B hands down.

                BTW Ron, it comes in 10# and 2# spools.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DDA52 View Post
                  BTW Ron, it comes in 10# and 2# spools.
                  Thanks Don, that is good to know.
                  Ron

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                  • #10
                    cored wires

                    It is amazing the differences in wires, the AWS specs. give manufacturers alot of flex room to optimize their wires. Especially the cored wires. Cored wires start as a strip and are roll formed to be tubular, while they are rolling to the shape they add a flux agent or metal agent depending on the application. Each wire manufacturer has on staff metallurgists and chemical engineers who look at everything that goes into the wire and how they react to each other. They have large specific customers who want a wire a specific way and that is for the most part what they make. The stuff we get at times is over run of these large orders. It just makes sense that when you are set up and running to run alot to meet a need. This is typical of the large wire manufacturers and Lincoln is one of the biggest. Your 4 spools a month or my 3 don't really add up to a run of 5000 pounds for them so we get what was run for someone else. There is enough flexibility in the specs. that the characteristics can change a little from this batch to the next. There is also a huge difference in what the strip or wall thickness of the wire does to your arc in regards to current density. In my testing we tried Lincoln, Select arc, and Hobart and what we found was that there were differences in the wall thickness and therefore the arc was different even when we tried to have comparable chemistries in the core. I wont say here who we picked because our scope may have been different for what you are looking for. So what does it all mean? If you are ready to place an order of 5000 pounds then you can get exactly what you want, otherwise you need to understand that even from one manufacturer one lot will vary from the next lot to a degree and as a welder you need to be able to spot the change in the arc and adjust if necessary. Sometimes it isn't. The wire guys know that to get one benefit it has to be balanced with the loss of another so to make everyone happy with one wire isn't going to work.

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                    • #11
                      You hit the nail on the head Diamond back. We as welders do need to keep our eyes on the puddle cause that's where it's at for bonding metal.

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                      • #12
                        you cant run multiples with 211 wire. it will crack. i use nr-232 licoln and that stuff wont crack

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