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    There has been a lot of safety and my equipment doesn't work out of the box question's lately. No I know that some of you don't have the experience that some of us do. With that said when someone ask's " What's the safest way to do this or that" You have to ask yourself "What would a Professional welder do?" I'm not trying to upset anyone but our society has lost the ability to use common sense! If a propane bottle has just been taken out of service maybe you shouldn't cut it with a torch or a grinder. I'm not saying it can't be done but the diy fella is not going to have the experience or knowledge to do something like that. If your Victor regulator doesn't work "READ THE INSTRUCTIONS AND DON"T TALK SMACK A?BOUT A PRODUCT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!" I know there will be a bunch of hater's out there but I don't care if this save's one guy's finger's or life it's done it's job. I watched a guy lose all of his finger's on one hand in a 20ton break because he was to cool to ask for help. Welding is serious business it shouldn't be taken lightly. All it take's is a lapse in judgement and you've burnt your house down or lit yourself on fire. Enough ranting, Be safe and alway's protect your self that way you can hug your kids and wives at the end of the day! Just one man's opinion. Jef

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    • #3
      GREAT...Bob

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      • #4
        Could not agree more!

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        • #5
          I agree. But I just don't think it's fair for people to chime in with advise not based on real experience or knowledge and not indicating they are just sounding off(speaking to the Propane tank debate you refer to )
          With over 12 years experience, I believe I can humbly call my shelf a "professional". I do this for a living. I'm a very conscientious person. I've spoke to well qualified, industry professionals, on the topic and follow the preparation procedures without fail.
          If I'm theorizing in a reply, I indicate so. If I'm making a joke, I make it as clear as I can.
          Unfortunately, forums are so full of people that give advise based on no first hand experience, "a friend said...", or "I heard..." that I would say, yes, take any info you get as only a gauge. If what you're wondering seems possible, then go speak to someone, face to face, that is a "professional" or has first hand knowledge in the area of your question and get them to advise you or better yet show you.
          Work safe, surf safe, be safe.
          Best regards,
          Bert

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          • #6
            We have the safety 'industry' to blame for that. Thanks to agressive propaganda from govt, lawyers, and the fear of responsibility in big companies workers have unprecedented access to safety equipment and information. As well workers now are actually considered valuable enough to be worth saving from injury. This is mostly great news. The problem we see now is that workers are even less responsible for their own actions and safety since their entire behaviour is dictated by the "safety rules" enforced on them. When a new situation arises which isn't spelled out in the above rules workers are less likely to be able spot potential danger and figure out a way around it. What we end up with are people worried about their safety (good) but have trouble identifying the specific hazard and dealing with them without outside instruction.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Freelance Fabber View Post
              We have the safety 'industry' to blame for that. Thanks to agressive propaganda from govt, lawyers, and the fear of responsibility in big companies workers have unprecedented access to safety equipment and information. As well workers now are actually considered valuable enough to be worth saving from injury. This is mostly great news. The problem we see now is that workers are even less responsible for their own actions and safety since their entire behaviour is dictated by the "safety rules" enforced on them. When a new situation arises which isn't spelled out in the above rules workers are less likely to be able spot potential danger and figure out a way around it. What we end up with are people worried about their safety (good) but have trouble identifying the specific hazard and dealing with them without outside instruction.
              That's what I'm saying! We all need to be responsible for our own safety as well as other's. If someone does something wrong and hurt's someone in the process you can be held liable. People have to use common sense, Do I really need my face or finger's or a propane tank planter , ash tray, whatever. Just think before you do!Jef

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              • #8
                WOW!!! Finally, someone has spoken what i have wanted to say for ages! BRAVO!!!

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                • #9
                  What did people do before the internet?

                  You know, at the end of the day, each individual is entirely responsible for their own safety & choices. Of course, some things are entirely out of our control. Sure, we can argue "real world" this & that, "urban legend" this & that, "this regulator stinks" this & that... "No it won't blow up", "yes it will" this & that.........

                  But......Every single one of us has a brain inside our heads. Some choose to use it less than others. Some shoot off their mouths without knowledge to back it up. Some propagate total BS. Some share true stories from verifiable sources who eye witnessed the account. Some ask questions they should know are entirely without merit. Some ignorantly defend those individuals without looking at the big picture either. Some jump to conclusions based on a very limited amount of information. Some just like to go on & on with worn out mantras & their "real world" experience..........

                  Yeah, we can beat this to death.

                  I could really care less.

                  At the end of the day, rest assured I'M going home to my family based on the choices I make. Although I haven't the welding skill some here have, I've been around heavy industry in the Midwest for the last 10+ years & lived a life growing up in some of the toughest gang run crack cocaine neighborhoods in Las Vegas.

                  I would sincerely like to think I didn't make it this far from making poor choices.

                  You got a brain....Use it.
                  Last edited by 7A749; 05-05-2010, 05:01 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Interesting Discussion!

                    This forum consists of people from all over the world. I am in the USA and speak of those in the USA.

                    Many people are idiots. Many people are stupid. Many people live in fear of being sued and are afraid to do anything that isn't 'certified' by some agency or organisation...justifiable, but sad. It's what we've become as a society. We are afraid. We are pathetic. We've done it to ourselves though.

                    We've all become complacent - most of us. When we hear of a person who gets a 3 million dollar settlement for a car accident that left his finger permanently twisted we shake our heads and say 'oh well'. When the banks jab us $34 for a $3.45 overdraft on our debit card we *****, but we pay it. When Wells-Fargo bank rips us all off with their foolish Vegas style gambling with our money - we merely shake our heads in disgust and leave our money in their banks.

                    We, as a whole, are a lazy bunch of slobs that care more for watching the football game than setting things right or studying a manual and learning something.

                    We did it to ourselves. We keep doing it. It's going to get worse before it gets better.

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                    • #11
                      Hey guys,
                      Well, I see this thread may take off-tangent posts & I believe the OP was just providing insight into being a bit more self-aware on ones' personal actions & the results of neglect or carelessness.

                      At 66, I've lived a very simple philosophy regarding safety & taking care of myself I was taught as a child growing up by my parents & "old world" grandparents. Their lesson was: "The Good Lord gave you only one body with all functioning parts....what you choose to do that jeopardizes any of those parts is YOUR fault." Quite simple, isn't it. All you have to do at any time is, when you get out of the bath or shower, stand naked & look at your body & think about the value of each of those parts. Ask yourself, "Do I like what I see in the mirror?" "What parts are valued the most?" "Do I do enough to protect them?" Then answer yourself. Remember, you only get ONE! That's it!

                      I believe Steve(7A749) summed it up concisely. I only add some "food-for-thought".....not food-for-more-body-fat. Only you put the value on your body & all the parts.....nothing more....nothing less.

                      Denny

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                      • #12
                        You make a valid point.

                        But lighting yourself on fire kinda comes with the territory...If I kept track of all the shirts I had lost to grinder, or welder induced flames...I'd be counting a bunch of shirts.

                        I'm new (when compared to the career guys for certain) when it comes to welding and the industry in general...but I try to listen and read as much as I can, and practice what I know. I don't have all the answers...but if I don't have them, I can find them one way or another.

                        I have however been around long enough to see what can happen if you do screw up...and its a great reminder to not let it happen to you. Wearing gloves at a drill press? Nope...not me. Loose shirt near a wire cup? Heck no. Fire extinguisher by the welders? Definitely.

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                        • #13
                          When giving advise I've always said use your common sense, Unfortunately telling someone to use there common sense that has none is useless.

                          I had to do a job at a power substation a couple years ago where an Iron Work removed a temperary shoring post holding the channel beam and block before he installed the permenant one and it came crashing down on him and killed him.

                          I got the task to write a proceedure as to how I would come in, dismantle everything and re- erect everything.
                          And boy did they make me follow the proceedure to a TEE.

                          I sat in bed for a couple of nights trying to figure out what the guy was thinking to do what he did and never figured it out.

                          You always have to think.

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