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  • #31
    Originally posted by Broccoli1 View Post
    "The welding area is composed of three 12 inch wide, 1/4 inch thick steel plate"

    A long way from being over engineered for a table that will hold a 600# on the top
    Yeah that has changed. If you follow the thread it has moved to 3/4 inch plate.

    I will be posting a new CAD image soon.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by kraythe View Post
      Alas I am only a hobbyist but you have my eternal thanks, not that it means much.

      Yes it does--Your Welcome


      I have integrated a lot of things you said and I am working on a CAD program that fuses the ideas.I upsized to 3/4 inch plate but slimmed them to 6 inches wide and overhang is now 3 inches. I also am seriously considering the angle iron approach. Although it would be thick to weld half inch steel angle iron, I am pretty sure I could manage it with my torch or pull out my old stick welder. The benefit is that all of the welds are easier of course.

      With 1/2" stick it and crank up da heat!_ shop the used metal section before building things--I did


      Right now I am thinking about whether I need a center reinforcing beam underneath the top panels. The quandry is that 3/4 of an inch is stong stuff but 2k# is nothing to laugh at.

      Depends on the span - see the over kill comment

      By the way your work on the tool chest with the drawers is awesome. You do them yourself? I had thought of that on the welding table. Have a shelf near the bottom and on top of that a couple slide out drawers for tips, filler rods, electrodes, grinder wheels and so on. I suppose I could get a box pan bender from harbor freight fairly cheaply.

      Boxes came from Homer when they sold the good roller bearing pro series. I Pulled the drawers, slid cabinets into place bolted them to the bench and to each other.. I can open every drawer and it does not fall over

      Oh one more question, you used WD40 to get that finish? That is incredible! it looks beautiful. How did you manage to do that?

      I used wire wheels, flap discs with metal polishing compound to polish the metal with, the WD-40 is the furniture polish that I use to keep it shiny
      BTW my holes are 7/8" diameter that is the way it came..do look at the selvage yard you might find a pre-built base that you could put a top on ..you might save yourself some time and money..

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      • #33
        Originally posted by kraythe View Post
        Yeah that has changed. If you follow the thread it has moved to 3/4 inch plate.

        I will be posting a new CAD image soon.
        No CAD image needed.

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        • #34
          Broc,

          Don't forget this guy is a "Senior Software Engineer".

          Already got all the answers. Only welding he's doing is "in his mind" and on the computer keyboard.

          He thinks an acorn table top is expensive. Wait til he prices out that 3/4" plate with all those holes drilled/tapped by his "metal supplier".

          One of these days he may actually try to weld something and figure out it's not quite as easy as drawing pictures on a computer.

          Remember, this is the same guy who told us all to go pound sand when we told him it wasn't a good idea for him to be redoing his 33' travel trailer. That we didn't have the good old American "get er done" attitude. Dingbat.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by SundownIII View Post
            Broc,

            Don't forget this guy is a "Senior Software Engineer".

            Already got all the answers. Only welding he's doing is "in his mind" and on the computer keyboard.

            He thinks an acorn table top is expensive. Wait til he prices out that 3/4" plate with all those holes drilled/tapped by his "metal supplier".

            One of these days he may actually try to weld something and figure out it's not quite as easy as drawing pictures on a computer.

            Remember, this is the same guy who told us all to go pound sand when we told him it wasn't a good idea for him to be redoing his 33' travel trailer. That we didn't have the good old American "get er done" attitude. Dingbat.
            Wow, you really know how to hate huh? Just a little thing sitting in his house hating anyone he deems inferior to himself. No you don't make me angry. I feel sorry for you actually. I think it is sad. I just envision you as a creepy guy, embittered by life to such a degree that the only way you gain pleasure is to try hurting others. Its really sad. I hope you find something to brighten your life soon.

            Oh and by the way I have priced it already. About 60 bucks for the plate, with 50 bucks an hour for any specialty cuts or drilling. Figure about 100 bucks for each of those plates, about $1000 if I couldn't find any salvage and bought it all new. Still a far cry from a 10k acorn platen table setup. If you really want to come off as an elitist, it might help to learn some basic math. However, I must admit to one inaccuracy. I can afford an ACORN table, I merely wish to build something of my own. I am sure your finely honed hate skills cant comprehend that.

            Oh and I would be curious to know what exactly me being a senior software engineer has to do with anything in your reply. Are we perhaps a little snippy here? I didnt say I was a god, I am an accomplished computer programmer. Others accomplish other things in their fields and that is awesome. Unlike you, I dont hate.

            You have no power to hurt me dude. You simply amuse me. If you keep replying I will just play with you like a cat with a ball of yarn so long as it amuses me to do so. Right now I am smiling and laughing when I type this.

            The height of your arrogance is to assume I should give a **** what some idiot on the other side of the internet thinks of me. The height of humor in this is how obsessed you are with your futile attempts to injure me.

            Keep it up. Its still amusing.
            Last edited by kraythe; 02-05-2010, 12:46 AM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Broccoli1 View Post
              No CAD image needed.

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              I like to plan before I do things. Probably an artifact of being a programmer. We plan a lot. Besides, it will give me a chance to get together a good cutlist to pass off to the supplier.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Pass-N-Gas View Post
                BTW my holes are 7/8" diameter that is the way it came..do look at the selvage yard you might find a pre-built base that you could put a top on ..you might save yourself some time and money..
                I dont know where you are located at but I have been having trouble finding much other than automotive salvage yards in the area. But then denver isnt a huge steel or metal work capital. There are 4 or 5 metal suppliers in the area that have decent prices. If I cant fidn salvage, I will go with one of them. Out of curiosity, where would you look for such a salvage yard. Hours of calling numbers in the phone book has yielded little. Lots of auto salvage areas but hardly anything else.

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                • #38
                  "Cat & Mouse?"

                  Originally posted by kraythe View Post
                  If you keep replying I will just play with you like a cat with a ball of yarn so long as it amuses me to do so.
                  I doubt that Sundown would even waste anymore time with you. I promise you he's got more arc and fab hours than you can count, even on your computer.

                  You should really get out more, maybe visit Northrop-Grumman Shipyards in Newport News, or NASSCO in San Diego and see the fruits of real design and labor.

                  Have you considered which process to use, or are you going to make another week-long soap opera out of that?

                  Geez, could've had it built by now..........

                  Good luck, and PLEASE keep us posted of your progress. Any more questions, feel free to ask.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by davedarragh View Post
                    I doubt that Sundown would even waste anymore time with you. I promise you he's got more arc and fab hours than you can count, even on your computer.

                    You should really get out more, maybe visit Northrop-Grumman Shipyards in Newport News, or NASSCO in San Diego and see the fruits of real design and labor.

                    Have you considered which process to use, or are you going to make another week-long soap opera out of that?

                    Geez, could've had it built by now..........

                    Good luck, and PLEASE keep us posted of your progress. Any more questions, feel free to ask.
                    Very well put, Dave.
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                    • #40
                      Well apparently he has wasted time up til now. As for his "hours" fabing and arcing, I have no doubt of that. It doesn't make him any less of a jerk. He is just a hateful person that happens to be knowledgeable about welding. Again you seem to think that makes him a god or you a godlet for worshiping the likes of him. I find that all very amusing.

                      As for the could have had it built, probably but then I have a full time job and we have two major software releases coming out next week and are putting in 60 hours of work per week so its a bit hectic. On top of that I have had to put the finishing touches on my third book soon to be published so life has been a little crazy, limiting shop time. Besides, I like to plan and learn. unlike you and your deity, I don't assume I know it all.

                      As for the process, probably use stick on the heavy stuff and my victor torch on the rest of it though I haven't quite gotten the trick of a fillet weld on a torch. *shrug* Just need to have free time to practice. I am in no hurry. I do this just to have fun.

                      You see you and your deity have no power to upset me. Its very liberating not giving a **** what some jerk on the other side of the internet thinks. I have long past any stage of being able to be affected by the likes of you or your deity.

                      So why don't we get back to talking about welding and stop all of this bickering crap? No? Well it was worth a try. I for my part going forward will simply completely ignore anything posted by either of you. Have a nice life! (EDIT: Vbulletin's ignore feature ROCKS)
                      Last edited by Admin; 02-05-2010, 09:24 AM. Reason: Toned it down

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by kraythe View Post
                        Well apparently he has wasted time up til now. As for his "hours" fabing and arcing, I have no doubt of that. It doesn't make him any less of a prick. He is just a hateful prick that is really knowledgeable about welding. Again you seem to think that makes him a god or you a godlet for worshiping the likes of him. I find that all very amusing.

                        As for the could have had it built, probably but then I have a full time job and we have two major software releases coming out next week and are putting in 60 hours of work per week so its a bit hectic. On top of that I have had to put the finishing touches on my third book soon to be published so life has been a little crazy, limiting shop time. Besides, I like to plan and learn. unlike you and your deity, I don't assume I know it all.

                        As for the process, probably use stick on the heavy stuff and my victor torch on the rest of it though I haven't quite gotten the trick of a fillet weld on a torch. *shrug* Just need to have free time to practice. I am in no hurry. I do this just to have fun.

                        You see you and your deity have no power to upset me. Its very liberating not giving a **** what some jerk on the other side of the internet thinks. I have long past any stage of being able to be affected by the likes of you or your deity.

                        So why don't we get back to talking about welding and stop all of this bickering crap? No? Well it was worth a try. I for my part going forward will simply completely ignore anything posted by either of you. Have a nice life! (EDIT: Vbulletin's ignore feature ROCKS)
                        Your post just confirmed my belief. You're the arrogant person here who knows nothing about welding or fabrication. You post questions and when experts reply, you want to argue with them because you think you know more then them. Your only expertise is to open mouth and insert foot.

                        How do you expect to weld up that "heavy duty" using an O/A torch?

                        Again, nobody on this board really gives a rat's a$$ about your job or how many books you have published. Anyone can publish a book as long as you willing to pay for it. Plenty of people on this board that works 60+ hours.

                        Why don't YOU get off your high "software engineer" horse and keep your mouth shut. Remember the quote from Mark Twain, "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."

                        Sundown III is a licensed PE with masters degrees. What engineering degree do you have?

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                        • #42
                          When you act like a jerk, people treat you like a jerk.

                          BTW. How well were you received on Welding Web?

                          I'd also be happy to compare education, experience, accomplishments, professional accreditations, etc. any day. One thing I did learn early in life was that "you don't bring a Swiss Army Knife to a gunfight".

                          You're about to let that $25 mouth take over for your .10 lower posterior.

                          If anyone's interested, I suggest you go back and read this guy's previous posts. Should be clear where I'm coming from.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by crawler View Post
                            Your post just confirmed my belief. You're the arrogant person here who knows nothing about welding or fabrication. You post questions and when experts reply, you want to argue with them because you think you know more then them. Your only expertise is to open mouth and insert foot.
                            Why should I care what your belief is? I have said several times that there are lots of people here that know more about metal than I do. Are you having problems reading English or are you just too stubborn to read what I have said? Some of those people are nice and helpful (the VAST majority of the folks here). Others are jerks and full of themselves. Some correct things that people say here in a respectful manner. Others think they own the world because they know how to properly weld and fabricate. *shrug*

                            Originally posted by crawler View Post
                            How do you expect to weld up that "heavy duty" using an O/A torch?
                            Well I would use stick on the half inch but it all could be done with a number 5 welding tip, maybe number 6 if I wanted to. Its not especially hard. We aren't talking rocket science here. See page 61 of this PDF.

                            http://www.thermadyne.com/IM_Uploads...20guide_lo.pdf

                            Originally posted by crawler View Post
                            Again, nobody on this board really gives a rat's a$$ about your job or how many books you have published. Anyone can publish a book as long as you willing to pay for it. Plenty of people on this board that works 60+ hours.
                            They asked. *shrug* Or rather they implied something else and I corrected them. And the point of publishing books is to make money, not spend it.

                            Originally posted by crawler View Post
                            Why don't YOU get off your high "software engineer" horse and keep your mouth shut. Remember the quote from Mark Twain, "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
                            What exactly is a "high "software engineer" horse" ? Is that something like a Clydesdale?

                            Originally posted by crawler View Post
                            Sundown III is a licensed PE with masters degrees.
                            No doubt he is an accomplished professional engineer and welder with years of experience and tomes of knowledge. Of these facts I have absolutely no doubt.

                            He is also a prick.

                            Originally posted by crawler View Post
                            What engineering degree do you have?
                            Again you ask questions you dont want to know the answer to. You make all of these implied assumptions about someone you know nothing about. Since you seem to be morbidly currious, I have a bachelors in Computer science from University of Iowa, A masters in Information technology from the University of Liverpool and a PHd in applied computer science from the University of Liverpool. There you go. I dont know what that has to do with welding but you asked.

                            Now he will probably reply with some nonsense cut accusing me of being arrogant for answering his direct question. Some people!

                            This debate is accomplishing nothing so if you want to continue to debate how I am as evil as Hitler for asking questions on a public forum and *gasp* making mistakes in some aspects then go right ahead and talk to yourself. I have better things to do with my time.
                            Last edited by kraythe; 02-05-2010, 09:56 AM.

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                            • #44
                              Wow 17 posts

                              High poster

                              Not one bite of good information

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                              • #45
                                Anyone else feel like they're watching the Teutuls (senior and junior) on American Chopper?

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