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    I apologize if this is a repeat question. I just picked up a new Millermatic 211. My first project will be a nice cart with big tire since i live on a farm and will use this outside alot. Now for the question...

    What is the or is there a proper angle to mount the welder so as to minimize problems with the argon flow?

    thanks in advance for your assistance...
    Jack of all trades, master of none...

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    The Argon will flow anyway you put it. I have a 20' hose from my argon/co2/75-25 tanks to my welder. I don't want to drag around 3 bottles on the back of the welder...Bob
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    • #3
      thanks for the info. i noticed some negative comments bout the extreme angles some other people had their machines on the cart. i wanted to be safe rather than sorry.
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      • #4
        I guess some guys do tilt the fronts of the welders up pretty steep. I would just mount it flat if it was mine...Bob
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          Just don't tilt it forward
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          • #6
            Originally posted by aametalmaster View Post
            The Argon will flow anyway you put it. I have a 20' hose from my argon/co2/75-25 tanks to my welder. I don't want to drag around 3 bottles on the back of the welder...Bob
            Bob, Yes I agree, I have 30ft. of hose to my mig !
            It's good for when I'm on a mobile Weld job , I leave the tank on the truck & just have to move the Welder !

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            • #7
              I just finished on for mine with basicly the same need to be able to move it around outside or take it with me. Just the other day I picked it up with the tractor and when down to Mom's hose and built some security bars for her front door. You can see all the pics and info a page or two in under MM211 welding cart if you like. I built it to have everything right there were I was using it.Click image for larger version

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              • #8
                Thanks for all the help...Have any of you seen this. it's really expensive. but i like the tires!!!

                http://www.allterraincarts.com/
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                • #9
                  How about the argon bottle itself ? Can you use one while its horizontal on its side as long as the flow meter is vertical?

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                  • #10
                    As far as I know the only bottles you can't lay down are Argon and Propane for cutting as they are both a liquid in the bottle and you are using the gas fumes off the top of the liquid, as for shielding gasses (the common ones anyway) they are just compressed gas.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by nfinch86 View Post
                      Bob, Yes I agree, I have 30ft. of hose to my mig !
                      It's good for when I'm on a mobile Weld job , I leave the tank on the truck & just have to move the Welder !

                      ............ Norm

                      How much gas does it take to purge the air out of lines. I thought about doing that but thought I would waste a lot of gas.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Diverdude View Post
                        As far as I know the only bottles you can't lay down are Argon and Propane for cutting ... 8<....
                        I think you mean Acetylene not Argon.

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                        • #13
                          Yes bluejay you are correct, I get a little deslexic when I type. It sould say Acetylene. I believe pure CO2 also fits, just not flamable.
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                          • #14
                            I read it as you meant it not as you wrote it, did a double take and almost let it go, then thought that since this is a public forum that could be misconstrued in the future by others that don't know the difference that there should be a correction. http://www.msha.gov/alerts/hazardsofacetylene.htm

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Diverdude View Post
                              Yes bluejay you are correct, I get a little deslexic when I type. It sould say Acetylene. I believe pure CO2 also fits, just not flamable.
                              Co2 can go either way depending on whether or not it has a siphon tube for using inverted.

                              A lot of carts have the welding tipped up so you can read the dials easier but if you look at the bigger more powerful Miller welders the leads are turned downward so they are less apt to kink. So facing more down would be better... just harder to read the dials. Making yourself a "strain relief" would be the best option for the typical little welder on a cart.
                              As for the hose purging question goes...once you flow/purge between the regulator and the machine you are good untill you break the seal because of the gas valve being IN the machine. You "waste" dozens of times more gas every time you stop welding because air goes back inside your gun assembly.

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