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  • #16
    here are some more pics of the job in progress as well as a better pic of the honeycomb. the first is of the smaller frames needed for this job as well. only 128 of them. the second 2 are more and better pics of the honeycomb. it comes from a company called plascore, i think that they are out of canada. not sure about that, though. the fourth pic is of glue being applied to the sheeting at the paintline, from there it goes through the oven only to remove moisture, then on to assembly. the frames and honeycomb also get done the same way. the last pic of this post is of the frame and honeycomb on the table with small peices of pvc pipe used for spacers. once the sheet is lined up right, then each pipe is slid out to glue the 2 of them together.
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    • #17
      lastly, it goes through the laminator that squeezes them together evenly. after this the panel gets moved to another area and a router with a flush bit removes excess sheeting, flip the panel and send it back through the paintline to glue on the face, then rout again. last, it gets the reflective sheet on the face. i am very tired of building these,a dn i cant wait until the next job, hopefully something new and exciting that i only have to build 2 or 3 of.
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      welder_one

      nothing fancy, just a few hot glue guns for metal
      www.sicfabrications.com

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      • #18
        Originally posted by welder_one View Post
        lastly, it goes through the laminator that squeezes them together evenly. after this the panel gets moved to another area and a router with a flush bit removes excess sheeting, flip the panel and send it back through the paintline to glue on the face, then rout again. last, it gets the reflective sheet on the face. i am very tired of building these,a dn i cant wait until the next job, hopefully something new and exciting that i only have to build 2 or 3 of.
        Hi W1,
        Just think of all the experience you're gathering..... Hahahahahaha!!!

        I take it the the adhesive is some form of contact cement?

        Im about the take possesion of a 5x10 router table. Should be here near the end of this month or the begining of Nov. Hopefully.... how big of a table do you have at your shop? who makes it? what kinda of spindle? mine is made by precix and its got an HSD 5hp 3ph spindle. variable frequency drive too.
        cheers.
        Will it weld? I loooove electricity!

        Miller 251/30A spool
        Syncro200
        Spectrum 625
        O/A
        Precix 5x10 CNC Router12"Z
        Standard modern lathe
        Cheap Chinese mill that does the trick... sort of...
        horizontal 7x12 bandsaw
        Roland XC540 PRO III
        54" laminator
        hammer and screwdriver (most used)
        little dog
        pooper scooper (2nd most used...)

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        • #19
          signwave, i dont know much about our routers, but we have 6 of them. 3 of them say xyz on the side and the other three are thurmwood or something like that. one of them is 30 foot long, used for squaring panels. the rest cut legend and borders, and interstate shields and the likes of that. not to boast, but we are the largest sign shop in the world.

          http://www.interstatesigns.com/

          here is a link to our website.
          welder_one

          nothing fancy, just a few hot glue guns for metal
          www.sicfabrications.com

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          • #20
            Hahahahahaa!! and im one of the smallest!! Hahahahaha!!!
            Will it weld? I loooove electricity!

            Miller 251/30A spool
            Syncro200
            Spectrum 625
            O/A
            Precix 5x10 CNC Router12"Z
            Standard modern lathe
            Cheap Chinese mill that does the trick... sort of...
            horizontal 7x12 bandsaw
            Roland XC540 PRO III
            54" laminator
            hammer and screwdriver (most used)
            little dog
            pooper scooper (2nd most used...)

            Comment


            • #21
              W1,
              do you guys roll aluminum extrusions at your shop? like for a Burger king sign?

              Ive got a client that wants to have a combination backlit/channel letter sign made. I figured that i could ligth it with super brights rather than neon, but im not sure how to make the transition and the honest truth is that rolling an extrusion is something that is simply magic... I kow it can be done but how its done is beyond me...
              Will it weld? I loooove electricity!

              Miller 251/30A spool
              Syncro200
              Spectrum 625
              O/A
              Precix 5x10 CNC Router12"Z
              Standard modern lathe
              Cheap Chinese mill that does the trick... sort of...
              horizontal 7x12 bandsaw
              Roland XC540 PRO III
              54" laminator
              hammer and screwdriver (most used)
              little dog
              pooper scooper (2nd most used...)

              Comment


              • #22
                we have to "roll" square tubing all the time for signs, is this what you are talking about? i have had to roll channel as well.
                welder_one

                nothing fancy, just a few hot glue guns for metal
                www.sicfabrications.com

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                • #23
                  Hi W1,
                  No not square tube, but extrusions. like 8 inch box sides - usually a one inch tall profile or if you will a very wide u shape.

                  how would you go about creating a round back lit sign box?
                  Will it weld? I loooove electricity!

                  Miller 251/30A spool
                  Syncro200
                  Spectrum 625
                  O/A
                  Precix 5x10 CNC Router12"Z
                  Standard modern lathe
                  Cheap Chinese mill that does the trick... sort of...
                  horizontal 7x12 bandsaw
                  Roland XC540 PRO III
                  54" laminator
                  hammer and screwdriver (most used)
                  little dog
                  pooper scooper (2nd most used...)

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    signwave, roll it in a sheet metal roller. just take your time and make very slight and gradual adjustments. i had a job for a big city in mo. that i had to roll 4 inch architectural channel backwards into a 12 foot circle then weld .04 sheet to it on the sides. the hardest part was getting a good weld to the sides of the channel without blistering the sheeting. it can be done, just will take a while. if you get a roller make shure that it is motorized, or you have alot of buddies come over and take turns cranking the handle.
                    welder_one

                    nothing fancy, just a few hot glue guns for metal
                    www.sicfabrications.com

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                    • #25
                      W1,
                      Do you mean to say that you are taking a flat peice of aluminum and rolling it. Once its rolled you weld on the sides? I think im not getting something here.

                      I'll take a photo of the extrusion im talking about and find a worldly example to show you.

                      Are ya finished with the "pile of work" yet?
                      Will it weld? I loooove electricity!

                      Miller 251/30A spool
                      Syncro200
                      Spectrum 625
                      O/A
                      Precix 5x10 CNC Router12"Z
                      Standard modern lathe
                      Cheap Chinese mill that does the trick... sort of...
                      horizontal 7x12 bandsaw
                      Roland XC540 PRO III
                      54" laminator
                      hammer and screwdriver (most used)
                      little dog
                      pooper scooper (2nd most used...)

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        i aint nowhere near close yet. today they threw 5 more books of this sign at me. meaning that i have 5 more sets of this sign to build i am very bored of this project now. i feel like a robot! i am yearning to build something new.

                        as for the rolling thing. i am talking about adjusting a sheet metal roller open enough to fit the extrusion in it and start rolling. you might have to anneal the metal. also if you'll take a peice of round stock the same length and set the web on it and feed it through, it will help you out alot as well. a pic sounds like a good idea.
                        welder_one

                        nothing fancy, just a few hot glue guns for metal
                        www.sicfabrications.com

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by SignWave View Post
                          how would you go about creating a round back lit sign box?
                          i would use flat sheet and roll it to desired size, weld a flange on it then use lexan for the face. glue the lexan with a 2 part epoxy. 3m makes this stuff we use all the time and it is awesome!!!. you'll "rip" the aluminum in two after glueing 2 pieces together. i will get a name on it for you. the signage at lubbick international airport in lubbick, texas, the faces are all glued on, the the signs are mounted to the posts with it as well (customer specs)
                          welder_one

                          nothing fancy, just a few hot glue guns for metal
                          www.sicfabrications.com

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                          • #28
                            Thanks alot W1, I look forward to learning about this adhesive you mentioned.
                            I take it that it is the same that you use to adhere the face on the honey combed panels? Im pretty sure thats what I read you said.

                            I have a two part here also made by 3m Im almost out, its been here for years. its a structural adhesive. one part is grey the other white and its a 3 to 1 mix. this stuff will hold elephants by their feet on a teflon ceiling..

                            I am doing two installs tonight. I'll take the pics and bring em back here. Post em later tomorrow.

                            Its halloween and im dressing up as a sign guy.....
                            Will it weld? I loooove electricity!

                            Miller 251/30A spool
                            Syncro200
                            Spectrum 625
                            O/A
                            Precix 5x10 CNC Router12"Z
                            Standard modern lathe
                            Cheap Chinese mill that does the trick... sort of...
                            horizontal 7x12 bandsaw
                            Roland XC540 PRO III
                            54" laminator
                            hammer and screwdriver (most used)
                            little dog
                            pooper scooper (2nd most used...)

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              we use a contact adhesive for the laminated panels, also made by 3m
                              welder_one

                              nothing fancy, just a few hot glue guns for metal
                              www.sicfabrications.com

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                              • #30
                                here are some more pics of the laminated job in progress. first 2 are of the faces being routed down to fit the frames. IMHO dewalt makes a dang good router. because of metal bow, we couldnt use the cnc machines, they all had to be routed by hand with a flush trim bit. 3rd pic is of reflective sheeting on one of the smaller panels. 4th is of some of the completed panels sitting on racks.
                                Attached Files
                                welder_one

                                nothing fancy, just a few hot glue guns for metal
                                www.sicfabrications.com

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