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    hey guys on the trailer I been making it has an 3000# torsion axle under it and its not moving.
    at first I thought the trailer was just not heavy enough empty and making it bounce alot. but today I put 25 bags @ 65# per
    bag (around 1625) and my friend said that the only thing moving was the 10ply tires given (or as he said screming help me help me lol)
    so if anyone knows anything about this please help
    btw. there is no adjustments on it anywhere at all
    thanks
    gary

  • #2
    got any pics? Maybe look for #'s to make sure you got the correct axle?
    Did you run this by the mfg?

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    • #3
      Capacity

      Gary:: How many lug nuts does the hub have.?? What size is the square tubing of the axle beam.?? What angle is the trailing arm when theres no load on it.?? There is never any adjustments, you order the capacity, the angle you want the trailing arm and in some cases the lug pattern. Compressing the rubber inserts that's inside the square tube is no easy task..

      You said #3000 is that total capacity.? or each spindle. That would make a big difference. That is why above information is needed..

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      • #4
        Originally posted by urch55 View Post
        Gary:: How many lug nuts does the hub have.?? What size is the square tubing of the axle beam.?? What angle is the trailing arm when theres no load on it.?? There is never any adjustments, you order the capacity, the angle you want the trailing arm and in some cases the lug pattern. Compressing the rubber inserts that's inside the square tube is no easy task..

        You said #3000 is that total capacity.? or each spindle. That would make a big difference. That is why above information is needed..
        ok i started out with an old boat trailer. the tag that was on the tounge said axle / 2995 - boat,motor,trailer,and all not to exceed over 2995 pounds
        i didnot weld or even get the axle hot at any time i just cut the tounge down about 3.5' and cut the back off about 3' then made the box for it and so-on, so-on anyways
        5-lugs
        the square tubing of the axle beam is 2.5x2.5 od
        angle of the trailing arm when theres no load on it and loaded is just under 45(there was no change at all)
        i had alot of weight on it yesterday and it never moved it was still bouncing around alot with over 1600# in it. I think for just a 3000# axle it would have showen. also the trailing arms are welded to the torsion part from factory (not to the tube ) so i cant take um off to see anything without torching the welds or grinding um off and im trying not to have to do that if i can
        so any ideas would be great

        thanks
        gary

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        • #5
          [QUOTE=glh;198534]ok i started out with an old boat trailer. the tag that was on the tounge said axle / 2995 - boat,motor,trailer,and all not to exceed over 2995 pounds
          i didnot weld or even get the axle hot at any time i just cut the tounge down about 3.5' and cut the back off about 3' then made the box for it and so-on, so-on anyways
          5-lugs
          the square tubing of the axle beam is 2.5x2.5 od
          angle of the trailing arm when theres no load on it and loaded is just under 45(there was no change at all)
          i had alot of weight on it yesterday and it never moved it was still bouncing around alot with over 1600# in it. I think for just a 3000# axle it would have showen. also the trailing arms are welded to the torsion part from factory (not to the tube ) so i cant take um off to see anything without torching the welds or grinding um off and im trying not to have to do that if i can
          so any ideas would be great

          thanks
          gary


          Gary did you ever think since the axle has been submerged no doubt many times that the axle is rusted tight inside.or the rubber rods could be real hard if contaminated by water and etc. They are not sealed units. In the center of axle drill a hole in the bottom.To see if the tubing is filled with water.
          Last edited by urch55; 07-17-2009, 07:11 PM.

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          • #6
            You don't have much travel there before the fenders hit anyhow, it looks like in the pics.
            I say just run the heck out of it. See if you can wear it out and overwork it!
            It looks good and it should be fine as well.
            I would think if it was locked up then it would only be on one side or the other but not both.
            3000# springs is pretty mean for that little trailer. If you was to switch to a 3000# leaf spring set instead it would more than likely rattle your teeth out as well.
            You may just need to simply go get another axle to better suit your needs since you now have such a dandy trailer. They aren't all that expensive.

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            • #7
              to solve this problem just go buy a new axle.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by m.k.swelding View Post
                to solve this problem just go buy a new axle.
                Yes because there is no way to fix it..

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by FusionKing View Post
                  You don't have much travel there before the fenders hit anyhow, it looks like in the pics.
                  I say just run the heck out of it. See if you can wear it out and overwork it!
                  It looks good and it should be fine as well.
                  I would think if it was locked up then it would only be on one side or the other but not both.
                  3000# springs is pretty mean for that little trailer. If you was to switch to a 3000# leaf spring set instead it would more than likely rattle your teeth out as well.
                  You may just need to simply go get another axle to better suit your needs since you now have such a dandy trailer. They aren't all that expensive.
                  "I would think if it was locked up then it would only be on one side or the other but not both."
                  thats what i was thinking to.
                  and i would hate to be loaded and 1 side free-up i would think it would sway alot
                  am going to try to get new or atlest new to me axle lol
                  i'm thinking maybe puting tandum axle. to make it alittle more hd
                  thanks guys
                  gary

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                  • #10
                    Reasoning

                    Originally posted by glh View Post
                    "I would think if it was locked up then it would only be on one side or the other but not both."
                    thats what i was thinking to.
                    and i would hate to be loaded and 1 side free-up i would think it would sway alot
                    am going to try to get new or atlest new to me axle lol
                    i'm thinking maybe puting tandum axle. to make it alittle more hd
                    thanks guys
                    gary
                    Well Gary and FK. If the tubing gets filled up with water given enough time would effect both sides. why would you guys think it would not. I gave my reasoning why it would. What is yours for not being locked up on both sides.? So you shoot down my idea with out giving yours.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by urch55 View Post
                      Well Gary and FK. If the tubing gets filled up with water given enough time would effect both sides. why would you guys think it would not. I gave my reasoning why it would. What is yours for not being locked up on both sides.? So you shoot down my idea with out giving yours.
                      urch55 i wasnot shooting your ideas down at all. but you said "They are not sealed units. In the center of axle drill a hole in the bottom.To see if the tubing is filled with water." ummm if its not sealed how would it be filled with water? and Torsion arms are Hot Dipped Galvanized or E-Coated
                      but you very well could be right about the rubber being hard
                      i'm thinking i need to cut it open and just take a look and see
                      lol
                      i ask things here so i get other peoples thoughts and ideas and i might use alittle from everyones or nothing from any and sometime people give me the "i told you so" when they were right and i didnt think it was
                      but trust me when i say i never shoot down anything you said
                      its just theres no rust on anything you can see from the outside
                      thanks
                      gary

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                      • #12
                        Is the axle mounted correctly so the arms can move up? Could the torsion rubbers be wiped out so they already sitting on the bump stops? Jack it up & see if the axle drops down.
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                        • #13
                          Nasty Rust (Idea)

                          Originally posted by glh View Post
                          urch55 i wasnot shooting your ideas down at all. but you said "They are not sealed units. In the center of axle drill a hole in the bottom.To see if the tubing is filled with water." ummm if its not sealed how would it be filled with water? and Torsion arms are Hot Dipped Galvanized or E-Coated
                          but you very well could be right about the rubber being hard
                          i'm thinking i need to cut it open and just take a look and see
                          lol
                          i ask things here so i get other peoples thoughts and ideas and i might use alittle from everyones or nothing from any and sometime people give me the "i told you so" when they were right and i didnt think it was
                          but trust me when i say i never shoot down anything you said
                          its just theres no rust on anything you can see from the outside
                          thanks
                          gary
                          Gary
                          Because the rust could be sealing it now. Plus being immersed in water is not the same thing as hosing it down, after water gets in very little would drain back out if any at all. I would sit in there until it would get so rusted it would look like sludge, then more water gets in until it would just rust up. Lets not forget about the rubber cords that run though it they also would get hard. The same thing happens with truck tires the rubber bead of the tire gets hard and rusty. Every time I had to demount a truck tire and ran into this problem it was very hard to demount it. The same principle is here the rust expands the steel and hardens the rubber until it becomes one. Look at some old boat trailer leaf springs what do they do,?? They expand until one of them breaks. So in my opinion this is what has happened to the axle if there is water in it now or not the damage has been done. And Gary I thank you for reading my posts and considering my ideas. Because after all it's just an idea. I was hoping it was too big of an axle cap but that is not the case with 5 lug hubs. Take Care..

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by urch55 View Post
                            Well Gary and FK. If the tubing gets filled up with water given enough time would effect both sides. why would you guys think it would not. I gave my reasoning why it would. What is yours for not being locked up on both sides.? So you shoot down my idea with out giving yours.

                            You crack me up
                            You make posts about people who tell you off and all that.
                            What makes you think that I shot down your idea??
                            I am thinking that if it was rust it more than likely would be only one side since they are independent. Just thinking as we go here not trying to be offensive. But maybe you don't realize when YOU are being confrontational.
                            Or at least way too sensitive.
                            Would you rather we refrain from trying to think thru a problem after you have graced us with your wisdom?
                            Understand me when I say this...I come on here to learn more than anything.
                            The internet welding forums have filled a void in my world that needed filling.
                            I don't come on here to look for ways to make people look stupid and I do not aspire to be what you are calling a "good ole boy"

                            I really do have other things I could be doing better than filing my day or off-time on the forum and certainly have no intention of hanging out where I am not wanted.

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                            • #15
                              Hostile/Sensitive

                              FK: there is only three things I can think of that would make the axle solid. #1 the torsion bar broke, but Gary said the trailing arm was in a 45 degree angle I would think if it broke it would be higher. #2 the rubber cords are solid with no give. #3 the axle is rusted tight. This is my ideas. If you have any other possable causes I would like to hear them. When you say they are independent of each side this is true, but did you ever consider they share the same outer tubing and that's how they both can get locked up.! Just a thought or thinking out loud. I did not noticed what you thought the problem was that is why I said you shoot down my idea with out giving one of your own. And if you did give one remind me what you said. I do not what to show any disrespect to any body. I have been disrespected on this site and it leaves a bitter taste, that might be why I was hostile or as you say sensitive.
                              I will try to word things better.. Hand Shake to you Fk. and Gary..

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