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  • HTP2400 Arrived Today!

    Well, it finally got here today: a brand-new HTP2400 with a 15' gun and a 20' RSG250 Spoolgun. HTP told me on the phone that there would be some minor assembly involved and that I would have to connect a couple of wires in order for the spool gun to work, so I thought I was prepared.

    The machine, which I'd requested be shipped via freight as opposed to UPS, arrived at 4:03pm today via---you guessed it: UPS-Freight. It seems UPS purchased Overnight and Overnight is HTP's alternative to UPS. Nonetheless, said welder arrived in a heavy-duty reinforced box, shrink-wrapped to a wood pallet, with two other boxes of stuff and was in perfect order when I unwrapped/cut everything away. GORGEOUS machine!

    Unfortunately, after being told by HTP that I'd be "welding hard in 45 minutes or less", things were not as well-put-together as I'd been led to believe:

    The 12' power cord didn't have a plug on the end, none was shipped, and I hadn't been told I'd need one. Fortunately I have a brand new Speedway Series 300A MIG welder sitting in the corner that I bought at a sale for $500 and have never gotten to work, so I was able to salvage the plug from it. The two rear wheels and axle were readily apparent in one of the boxes, but it took me about an hour doing something else before I thought to pull the panel off the wire-feed box and take a look inside....where I found box # 3 with two FRONT wheels, 30 bolts, 30 washers, and 30 lock washers. I also found my gas hose and reg, but the gas hose didn't have a connector on it....I finally found the connector in the same plastic pouch as my extra contact tips/nozzles. It slips on, but there's no O-ring or hose clamp with the kit...not that it really matters since my spool gun shipped with its own gas hose with connector professionally installed and that's all I was worried about.

    Also, the ground/work lead ships inside the same box as the two front casters, and I spent a pretty frustrated first-hour thinking I wasn't going to be able to use my machine until I drove to the LWS to buy one or had HTP overnight me one. I found the box inside the wire compartment about 15 minutes before I was planning to call HTP to raise he$$.

    There isn't so much an Operator's Manual as there is 8 or 9 pages of paper stapled together with some safety precautions and some nice pictures of what the welder should look like once it's fully assembled, so putting everything in it's proper place took a little while. The spool gun shipped with 2 full wiring harnesses, so as soon as I had both sides off the machine, I sat down to check 'em out and look at the two typed pages of instructions that tell you what wire goes where and how.

    Now, I've done a few months of industrial electrical work working for 8 different Master Electricians in one plant, so I'm not a total dummy when it comes to wires. I've hard-wired and hand-crimped everything from 22ga 48V low-current stuff up to and including 460V cable, but let me tell you: if you don't know a crimper from a crumpet, this is NOT something you want to attempt!!! If you order the same combo I did (2400/RSG250), do yourself and favor and buy your favorite electrician AT LEAST a case of beer and invite him/her over to do the honors....unfortunately my favorite electrician is on assignment in Iraq right now and this job is due on Friday.

    One wiring harness involves 4 connections and 8 different wires. You have to disconnect 4 wires from a wiring block on the "guts" side of the welder and route them through the firewall into the "wire" side and then butt-splice them with 4 butt splicers that are included. Not terribly difficult other than the butt splicers they sent with the kit were for 12ga wire and I was dealing with 22ga....ugly in the end, but effective.

    Time involved with welder since unpacking: 1hr 30 minutes.

    Next, the second wiring harness with 12 - 24" leads must be routed from the "wire" side over into the "guts" side. 4 of the wires must go to the four that were disconnected for the other plug/harness, and the other 8 require disconnecting 4 "blade connectors" and 2 additional hardwired connections, installing the 8 included blade connectors and 4 hardwired connections, for a total of 24 wires that have to be screwed with for this harness. The wiring block on the back of the potentiometer is a little difficult to understand and the 2 typed pages of instructions with 4 pictures doesn't really show you what you need to know all that well. Other than that, the only real problem I had was that the 12 leads from Harness # 2 are stripped back about 1/16 to 1/8 inch and the hardwire connections I had to strip back another 1/4" to get them up into the bottom of the wiring block. Not terribly difficult, but not exactly easy either. Oh, and when dealing with the wiring block, you're going to need a flathead screw driver along the lines of those little silver electronics screwdrivers...standard small flatheads like Kleins and Ohms won't fit into the connector-screw protection wells. Having one on-hand (and I had 3 by chance) will make this project go much faster.

    Time Involved Since Unpacking: 2 hours 20 minutes. So much for 45, huh?

    Well, v-time, right? Plugged the welder in, connected the spool gun to my spare bottle of 100% Argon, and fired 'er up without a care in the world!

    The 2400's heat settings are a little difficult to get used to, or they were for me. There are 4 "rough" heat settings (1 being lowest heat and 4 being highest) and then there are 6 "fine" heat settings (again, 1=low, 6=high). So in other words, setting 2,6 would be followed (increased) by going to setting 3,1.

    I pulled out some scrap strips and tube, brushed them off with a wire brush, and dropped the hood and pulled the trigger. After figuring out what was decent and what was not, I figured out that 20cfh was NOT enough for the RSG250! The SG controls wire-feed in the bottom of the handle, so after getting the heat right, wfs right, and gas right, here are the settings I ended up with for welding 1/16" thick 1" square aluminum tube:

    Heat: 2,1
    WFS: ~~40
    Gas: 40cfh

    After dialing in those settings, it was like a light bulb went off and a choir of Angels started singing (or humming, as the case may be)!!! I got more welding done in an hour and a half than I've gotten done in the last 3 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It was a ROYAL PITA (Pain In The A$$) to get this thing set up and going, but I could NOT be happier with my machine!! The beads were pretty and strong and shot out that gun like a greased pig outta the rodeo chute!

    I'll take some pics and try to get 'em posted tomorrow night. For now I gotta get some shuteye so I can go play with my AWESOME new toy tomorrow!!!

    ~Clint
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    Clint Baxley
    Baxley Welding Service
    Rembert, SC 29128

  • #2
    Great when a plan comes togeather, even if it takes longer than planed for. Use of some cannon plugs might have helped maybe, but just look at the fun you had, kinda like sitting under the Xmas tree on Xmas eve putting the kids bike togeather while your wife laughs at you . Looking foward to some pictures ... so far sounds like a decent machine.
    Regards, George

    Hobart Handler 210 w/DP3035 - Great 240V small Mig
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    • #3
      cool, gotta love getting a new welder in the mail.

      sorry to hear about all the trouble, but glad to hear its in the lets play mode now.
      so looking back was the $$ you saved worth the time required to wire every thing up as apposed to the plug and play of the MM212 ?? now that the spool gun is installed can you unplug it at will or is it a question of going back and disconnecting all the wires one at a time again like you installed it ???
      i cant believe it came without a plug and they didn't warn you?? the Dyn200 comes without a plug, but it will run off about 10 different power options so i suppose it kinda makes scenes to not ship with a plug. is the HTP2400 multi voltage optioned ??
      be shore to post us up some pic's of the new toy.
      thanks for the help
      ......or..........
      hope i helped
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      feel free to shoot me an e-mail direct i have time to chat. james@newyorkmetalart.com
      summer is here, plant a tree. if you don't have space or time to plant one sponsor some one else to plant one for you. a tree is an investment in our planet, help it out.
      JAMES

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      • #4
        Originally posted by fun4now View Post
        sorry to hear about all the trouble, but glad to hear its in the lets play mode now.
        so looking back was the $$ you saved worth the time required to wire every thing up as apposed to the plug and play of the MM212 ?? now that the spool gun is installed can you unplug it at will or is it a question of going back and disconnecting all the wires one at a time again like you installed it ???
        i cant believe it came without a plug and they didn't warn you?? the Dyn200 comes without a plug, but it will run off about 10 different power options so i suppose it kinda makes scenes to not ship with a plug. is the HTP2400 multi voltage optioned ??
        be shore to post us up some pic's of the new toy.
        When I first did all of my research, it was mostly aimed at the MIG200 and 3035 spoolgun combo. The 2400 is basically equivalent to a MM252, with slightly less total Amps available, but with 60% more available power at only 30% of the power requirement. The RSG250 spool gun is the exact same gun Lincoln offers called an MT250X which would be equivalent to Miller's 15A (in terms of power available and duty cycle) so in a word: YES!! I spent slightly over $2000 for a MM252/15A SG and it friggin ROCKS!

        In order to switch from SG mode over to regular mode, all I have to do is unplug one thing, plug in something else, and go to town. No big deal other than the wiring harness plugs are in the wire-feed compartment...all you gotta to is open the door. When the SG isn't being used, the SG plug just sits there in the wire feed bay out of the way.

        The 2400 is not multi-voltage....220V required.

        I'll take some pictures today.
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        Clint Baxley
        Baxley Welding Service
        Rembert, SC 29128

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        • #5
          cool, so its just the first setup thats a pain after that its not such a big deal. sounds like a sweet welder, loooking forward to some pic's. congrats.
          thanks for the help
          ......or..........
          hope i helped
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          feel free to shoot me an e-mail direct i have time to chat. james@newyorkmetalart.com
          summer is here, plant a tree. if you don't have space or time to plant one sponsor some one else to plant one for you. a tree is an investment in our planet, help it out.
          JAMES

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          • #6
            Buy Miller

            Wow Clint, when I bought my MM251, all I did was plug it in!!!!
            All the trouble you had, I'm surprised it still TOOK you that long!
            It only would have taken me 1 hour!
            ok...1 WEEK and 1 hour. I'm glad you knew what you were doing, would've taken me a trip to the LWS to have them do all that for me! Especially with
            lousy instructions!!!
            Can't wait to see those pics!
            I'm not late...
            I'm just on Hawaiian Time

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            • #7
              Hey Clint,

              Glad you got your new machine up and running. Sounds as if you're real happy.

              Not to steal Bert's thunder, but like him, when I got my MM251 w/30A Spoolgun, I had it up and running in about 15 min. But, then again, I didn't have the "opportunity" to learn nearly as much about the inner workings of my power supply.

              Just pulling your chain. Now get out and make some money with that thing.

              PS Glad to hear you were able to get those Panamanian ladies off your mind so you could concentrate on the task at hand. (Inside joke)
              Syncrowave 250 DX Tigrunner
              Dynasty 200 DX
              Miller XMT 304 w/714D Feeder & Optima Control
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              • #8
                i'm mostly suprised he wasnt warned about it. seems like he spoke with the rep. quite a bit befor ordering it.?? seems like he would have been warned.
                just the same glad its up and running now and he didnt have to wait for some one else to do it for him.
                congrats on the new toy.
                thanks for the help
                ......or..........
                hope i helped
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                feel free to shoot me an e-mail direct i have time to chat. james@newyorkmetalart.com
                summer is here, plant a tree. if you don't have space or time to plant one sponsor some one else to plant one for you. a tree is an investment in our planet, help it out.
                JAMES

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                • #9
                  Holy sheepsh*t Batman! LOL Glad your up and running with your new money making toy. Keep us posted on how things are going. And by all means "This Thread Is Totally Worthless Without Pics".
                  Rich Ferguson
                  Sales Technician
                  Jackson Welding Supply Co.
                  "Keep America Strong.....Weld It"
                  www.jacksonweldingsupply.com

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                  • #10
                    Three Pics & A Funny Story

                    Here are three pictures; sorry I didn't get them loaded last night. Even though my shop is pretty big, I normally work on the road so I don't even have power turned on...I just run extension cords from the Champion 10,000 in the back of my truck inside to power whatever I need. My brother and I had tenants in this work area until about 18 months ago when we had to kick them out for lack of payment. Since then, we've used it for storage and stuff....and I work out of it occasionally. I hope to have power next week sometime as I've completely re-wired the thing (first time since it was built in early '70's) complete with conduit this time and grounded receptacles and boxes.

                    For 5 years the building adjacent to this one housed a custom-furniture maker, complete with all of his woodworking tools and a showroom and a storage room full of exotic woods...most of it hand-hewn and hand-planed. Some of it is gorgeous stuff. Anyway, after repeatedly failing to pay rent, my brother kept sending him letter after letter after letter and last year (about 18 months ago as well) I'd just arrived back in my hometown for the first time (other than to visit for a week or two) in 18 years....so one night I let myself into the woodworker's shop, disabled the alarm system, and moved every last stitch of wood, furniture, light, lightbulb, watercooler, refrigerator, and desktop computer (not mention several drills, two 22" planers, and 3 saws) and moved it ALL into this workshop you see here. The next morning the guy came in and freaked-the-F-out!!! The cops were called, CSI-guys came in (not nearly as sophisticated as the TV show, I assure you), my brother was called in, my father......funny as he$$ but it took them a full 24 hours before anyone thought to call me to ask ME if I knew anything about it. When I said "yes", the cops and everyone else said "Give it back, right now!!!" And I said, "Absolutely...as soon as _______ gives me a certified check from the bank for the $35,295.21 he owes my brother and I in back-rent over the past 4.5 years." The cops were stunned, the woodworker was arrested on the spot, and now there's all this wood and woodworking equipment clogging up my darned welding shop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    So you'll see some of that in the background. My poor brother (lawyer and stockbroker and JAG officer that he is) didn't speak to me for a MONTH!

                    Anyway, here's a couple of pics until I can take some more. Enjoy. ~Clint
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                    Clint Baxley
                    Baxley Welding Service
                    Rembert, SC 29128

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                    • #11
                      Good Going!

                      Clint,
                      GOOD FOR YOU!!! Over here, they usually side up with the renter!!! Nice to hear justice done!!! Too bad the a$$hole didn't look through the open window I see in the background, or ask you first before he freaked out!
                      Glad you can make money on all his equipment
                      eBay or swapmeet? It would be fun to let him find out you sold everything of his for $100, but I know you could use the money!
                      I'm not late...
                      I'm just on Hawaiian Time

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bert View Post
                        Clint,
                        GOOD FOR YOU!!! Over here, they usually side up with the renter!!! Nice to hear justice done!!! Too bad the a$$hole didn't look through the open window I see in the background, or ask you first before he freaked out!
                        Glad you can make money on all his equipment
                        eBay or swapmeet? It would be fun to let him find out you sold everything of his for $100, but I know you could use the money!
                        Hey Bert...thought some of you would find that amusing. SC Law is pretty clear-cut when it comes to property owners collecting rent.

                        You actually can't see the wood and equipment through the windows because (a) the windows are so old and scratched and (b) it's so dark over in that corner without the lights on.

                        I eventually hope to sell it to a furniture maker locally...that way he/she can come in and see what they want and haul it off...less trouble for me.

                        My dad freaked out a few months ago when he came in and I'd cut a piece of Honduran Mohagany and a piece of tiger Maple to use as jigs for a little project I had going. Seems as though the 2 pieces I'd cut were worth more than the $400 little project I had going at the time... Can we say "OOPS!"?
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                        Clint Baxley
                        Baxley Welding Service
                        Rembert, SC 29128

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                        • #13
                          Oops!

                          I hear ya about the wood! I bought this wood motorcycle from an auction made out of all these different types of woods, they sell it on e-bay, but this one is a lot bigger. My dog was bored and decided to chew the tail lights off one morning while we were sleeping
                          I'm sure a$$hole will be looking for his stuff later on. When you sell it to the furniture maker, be honest and say what happened so he knows the whole story! ('specially if he's local)...so furniture maker will know what to say when a$$hole comes wanting his stuff back.
                          BTW, how's bachelorhood???
                          (send me a pm if it shouldn't be discussed here!!!)
                          I'm not late...
                          I'm just on Hawaiian Time

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                          • #14
                            ROFL! Bachelorhood is going okay...talked to her today as she was standing on the ramp of the Queen Mary in NY Harbor....she was excited. I spent last night at her house and woke up on her side of the bed this morning at 5am...a little confused.

                            I got the bird-feeders filled up, grass mowed, laundry folded, dishes washed, coffee bought, sidewalk edged, and car washed....nothing that was on a formal "list" but stuff that should keep her happy for a bit when she returns.
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                            Clint Baxley
                            Baxley Welding Service
                            Rembert, SC 29128

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                            • #15
                              The next morning the guy came in and freaked-the-F-out!!!
                              thats too funny, its a shame but people tend to just get worse the more you let them. glad to see you put the freeloading jerk in his place. thats just crazy to be so far behind on the rent.now all ya need is a paying renter, bet that will be nice for a change.
                              maybee you could get some extrs $$ as a rent inforcer from some of the other renters in the area.
                              My dad freaked out a few months ago when he came in and I'd cut a piece of Honduran Mohagany and a piece of tiger Maple to use as jigs for a little project I had going. Seems as though the 2 pieces I'd cut were worth more than the $400 little project I had going at the time... Can we say "OOPS!"?
                              hey tools are expensive, i guess jigs are too.
                              thanks for the help
                              ......or..........
                              hope i helped
                              sigpic
                              feel free to shoot me an e-mail direct i have time to chat. james@newyorkmetalart.com
                              summer is here, plant a tree. if you don't have space or time to plant one sponsor some one else to plant one for you. a tree is an investment in our planet, help it out.
                              JAMES

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