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    some friends and i were discussing what alloy a beer/pop can would be. if any know would you please let me know. a steak dinner is riding on this one.
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    3104-H19 Aluminum

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_can

    Can I get some dinner too?

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    • #3
      thanks man, i get the steak dinner. yep come on over i get you hooked up with a steak too...
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      • #4
        I actually never thought about that before. Could be cause all I was thinking about was the beer inside.
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        • #5
          Could be cause all I was thinking about was the beer inside.
          yep me too , but if you fallow his link you will find a lot more out about cans than you would think. verry neat link thanks.
          thanks for the help
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          hope i helped
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          • #6
            Originally posted by phila.renewal View Post
            3104-H19 Aluminum

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_can

            Can I get some dinner too?
            I've got a ?, if this has magnesium in it, if I smelt them down after I crush the cr@p out of them in the press I am building, will this separate out where I can skim it off? I will be pouring it into sand molds eventually, but will start out just making ingots, but I would think I would like to have as pure Al as possible? Anyone have any thoughts?

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            • #7
              smelting

              id be really careful if you plan on smelting aluminum,keep it outdoors and make sure you dont get any water anywhere near it(moisture of anykind for that matter) can you say explosion?also the fumes are extremely toxic.Just make sure you do your homework thoroughly(id hate to hear you hurt yourself.I built an aluminum smelter last year for a company that you could drive a dump truck into(if your wondering why im givin you this speel lol anyways good luck and take care
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              • #8
                Originally posted by man of steel View Post
                id be really careful if you plan on smelting aluminum,keep it outdoors and make sure you dont get any water anywhere near it(moisture of anykind for that matter) can you say explosion?also the fumes are extremely toxic.Just make sure you do your homework thoroughly(id hate to hear you hurt yourself.I built an aluminum smelter last year for a company that you could drive a dump truck into(if your wondering why im givin you this speel lol anyways good luck and take care

                This is excellent advice. I met a fellow once who was the owner of an aluminum smelting company in the South. He was living temporarily in Los Angeles near an eye clinic while they replaced his corneas and tried to restore some of his sight.

                He was doing a pour one morning and had failed to check whether there was any water or condensation inside of the mold. The way he told it, there was some water in there and it exploded and blew molten aluminum all around the room. Even though he was wearing some sort of face protection, he still got splatters of it on his face and some in his eyes which basically rendered him legally blind.


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                • #9
                  the guys that work in the smelting company where i built their 3rd smelter told me lots of horror stories,they put an engine block into a smelter that had ice in it(was winter) and it blew out of the furnace and took out walls, i beams (could have easily killed someone and they said it sounded like dynamite going off right beside them

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                  • #10
                    Holy hanna, I had no idea... I will def be doing it all outside, with proper protection, and I plan on reading up on it a Lot before I actually start making things. I planned on sand casting, though I thought the sand was slightly damp when casting. Is there an issue with this, or is the caution about standing water, in liquid form, not in the sand? Like I said, much reading to do before I start this.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by alha View Post
                      . Is there an issue with this, or is the caution about standing water, in liquid form, not in the sand? Like I said, much reading to do before I start this.

                      When molten metal- even Lead at 6-800 degrees, which melts much lower than the melting point of Alum. comes in contact with moisture in any form, at any temp below 212F, or in any amount: the water will expand about 1,700 times.

                      It just leaps into the (vapor) form of steam.... explosively.

                      I cast a few thousand bullets a year. I've had events where I'd toss one single wheel weight that was damp into a molten pot of Lead and when the few molecules of water expanded--- they blew several ounces of molten Lead out of the pot, and deposited it on the ceiling of the garage.

                      If you're going to do any casting, pre-heat your material to at least 250-300, or bring the entire batch up to temp slowly before you dump it off into a pot with any molten metal.

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                      • #12
                        Also don't work on a concrete floor. If you drop any molten metal on the concrete it will typically explode out a small crater. A dry sandbox is probably best to work over.
                        I'd advise against the beverage cans. The paint/aluminum ratio is too big. Check your local scrap yard for worn out air cooled engines.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Andy View Post
                          Also don't work on a concrete floor. If you drop any molten metal on the concrete it will typically explode out a small crater. A dry sandbox is probably best to work over.
                          I'd advise against the beverage cans. The paint/aluminum ratio is too big. Check your local scrap yard for worn out air cooled engines.
                          Def would be pouring outside, in fact the whole shebang is going to be outside, in case of any shebangs...

                          If I went with aluminum scrap, (when I run out of my can supply) which part of the engine would I be looking for? The block, head, intake? I would presume that they are made out of diff alloys, and nothing is going to be 'pure' Al, so which would you think would be the best part to look for, and would brand make a diff? Mercedes vs. Hyundai vs. Toyota? Thanks for the suggestions, that's why I love this board, so many people with so much good & valuable info.

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                          • #14
                            Forging And Casting Work

                            So You Whant To Play With Hot Stuff

                            We Cast Alot Of Stuff And It Is Fun But Step Back And Think What Could Go Wrong And There Is A Lot The Can Get Ugly

                            You First Have To Melt It And That Is Very Hot

                            Then You Pore It Out Of That Red Hot Crusebl In To A Mold Just Do Not Drop It On The Ground Or Miss The Mold When Pooring

                            The Fan That We Use To Get The Smoke Out Of Room We Have The Furness In Has Been Changed Three Times The Blads Get Coroded And Fall Apart So That Tells Me You Should Not Breath It

                            We Wear A Lot Of Protecsion Whale Pooring

                            Good Luck On Casting Parts And Be Very Carfull Do Your Home Work And Be Safe

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