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  • #31
    Even though none of these ideas will achieve complete perpetual motion, many of them may be viable solutions to supplement energy consumption for greater efficiency, so we can joke about it but all these engineering minds here have a good chance of coming up with some good ideas. I give the original poster lots of credit for thinking along these lines and participating on this forum. You should be proud of yourself, keep it up and try to stay focused on the right things as you go through the next few teen years, which are very difficult years that have many, many bad influences along the way.
    Gary
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    • #32
      MM-maybe this will give you some ideas

      http://www.shopfloortalk.com/forums/...ad.php?t=18659
      Dylan

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      • #33
        Originally posted by metalmeltr View Post
        when it came to designing this i was just looking at impacts in a northern tool book and saw the specs and thought that runnng an air compressor off it would increase performance after a few of you posted I read up on perpetual motion and discovered i would have to make it vibration free so it produces no sound energy, prevent the transfer and production of heat, and have it all sealed in a vacuum to prevent friction with the air which also mean that it would be even harder to do with a car or lawnmower.

        MTbob-I did read the wikepidia link,
        metalmeltr: Fantastic! OK, so if you read the wiki information about perpetual motion, why do you think your closed loop air compressor cycle will work? Or, if you really think it will work, why?

        Please read more about perpetual motion, take a look at this link:
        http://burtleburtle.net/bob/physics/whythere.html

        What a great learning opportunity for you. For sure, I really want to see you think about this project. If you really think your idea will work, why not build it and see what happens?
        MTBob
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        • #34
          I also used to think about these same kind of things. Man when did I get old?
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          • #35
            It has a name, your nemesis

            It is called the law of diminishing returns and it is a secondary principle to the laws of thermodynamics. So if you do build a perpetual motion machine, I will have to pull you over and write you a citation for breaking the law.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by MTBob View Post
              metalmeltr: Fantastic! OK, so if you read the wiki information about perpetual motion, why do you think your closed loop air compressor cycle will work? Or, if you really think it will work, why?

              Please read more about perpetual motion, take a look at this link:
              http://burtleburtle.net/bob/physics/whythere.html

              What a great learning opportunity for you. For sure, I really want to see you think about this project. If you really think your idea will work, why not build it and see what happens?
              I no longer think it will work because sound and heat are produced and this is energy that is not staying within the cycle and the machie would eventually come to a stop
              This is an automotive discussion forum that has some great infromation

              www.autobodytoolmart.com/shoptalk

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