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  • #16
    Jim, I don't think he is talking about yours, but Jogngo1's. Hey, ya gotta
    admit, they DO look kinda cute
    I'm not late...
    I'm just on Hawaiian Time

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    • #17
      Fishy Jim,

      I can see where you're coming from with your comments about the OP's design being OK for his use. Personally, I gotta believe the first time he reaches the end of his wand with that little mig, and gives it a little tug, the whole thing (basket and mig) will come crashing down.

      Now, I gotta ask you a question. Did I miss something (gussets/diagonal bracing, etc) on that stand I see in your photo for that big ol Snap On toolbox?

      Again, it's your equipment, you can use it anyway you choose, but that stand looks mighty flimsy to me. I guess I just tend to "overbuild" when it comes to stands/carts/etc that hold high dollar equipment.

      I don't tend to take a lot of photos but I'll post up a couple of the last cart I built. I'm sure you'll think it's overbuilt (2"x1/8" square tube base, 2"x1/8" angle for risers, and 1 1/2" x 1/8" shelf supports). My PM 1250 is not bolted down but it does weigh over 90#, is sitting on a flat shelf with a rubber pad underneath and cannot "slide" off due to the lip formed by the shelf.
      Attached Files
      Syncrowave 250 DX Tigrunner
      Dynasty 200 DX
      Miller XMT 304 w/714D Feeder & Optima Control
      Miller MM 251 w/Q300 & 30A SG
      Hobart HH187
      Dialarc 250 AC/DC
      Hypertherm PM 600 & 1250
      Wilton 7"x12" bandsaw
      PC Dry Cut Saw, Dewalt Chop Saw
      Milwaukee 8" Metal Cut Saw, Milwaukee Portaband.
      Thermco and Smith (2) Gas Mixers
      More grinders than hands

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      • #18
        Jongo1,

        I can appreciate what you are trying to accomplish, and while I am with SundownIII in my reservations to your first attempt, it is not bad for a 1st version. Very few of us (without years of experience) seldom get it "right" without taking a couple or runs at an idea and spending some time looking at the overall big picture.

        This post is not intended to be negative. I generally like the fit and finish of what you have already created - I propose to "tweak" the idea a little to maybe better address your needs (in the long run), and to minimize, or eliminate a couple of design flaws. I may have an idea that will solve your issues, and is well within your capabilities.

        Here is what I would like you to consider:

        Go to the back of your machine, and have a good look at the bottle rack components. You should be able to run a vertical piece of angle iron or tubing (your choice) up the back of the machine on either side that ends 3 or 4 inches above the top of your current welder.

        From these two vertical pieces, you can now attach your "shelf" to place the second welder.

        This solves 2 problems:

        1) Shelf is now attached directly to welder frame so it cannot "fall off", and second welder can now be properly secured.

        2) Shelf is now high enough above MM212 to allow you to open door to 90 degrees so you can access wire drive components and spool of wire.

        I will post up a couple of pics of a similiar arrangement on the backside of a PowerMig 350 MP that I used to mount the cable reels and 200' of #2/0 cable. For the record, my cart does not attach to the bottle mounts like I am suggesting for you, nor will your application be as large of an undertaking, or as complex as what I built, but it should show how neatly this can be done.

        FYI, the reels are positioned at that height so that the wire feeder door can be swung up vertical, and I have "hands free" access to the wire drive components, spool of wire, and amphenol plugs for my Foot Pedal/Remote etc.
        Attached Files
        Later,
        Jason

        Professional Spark Generator by Trade.

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        • #19
          Sundown...man I'm diggin' those spindles It really doesn't seem all that overbuilt to me. In fact maybe a little bigger casters up front would'a been nice for gravel etc. I love the way my 350P rolls around and it is so much nicer yet without the bottle on gravel as well. 300 argons really suck lugging around esp. on rough terrain.
          But it (your cart) does sorta give me a little more insight as to your views on that guys 5x10 trailer
          If you do build ANY trailer I would LOVE to see those pics as well
          Thanks for sharing

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          Miller Dynasty 700...OH YEA BABY!!
          MM 350P...PULSE SPRAYIN' MONSTER
          Miller Dynasty 280 with AC independent expansion card
          Miller Dynasty 200 DX "Blue Lightning"

          Miller Bobcat 225 NT (what I began my present Biz with!)
          Miller 30-A Spoolgun
          Miller WC-115-A
          Miller Spectrum 300
          Miller 225 Thunderbolt (my first machine bought new 1980)
          Miller Digital Elite Titanium 9400

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          • #20
            Some more pics of the finished product with the frame powder coated in company colours.

            Hopefully this will give you some ideas on how to make your own project a little safer, and more usable.

            Happy New Year, and Have a Nice Day.
            Attached Files
            Later,
            Jason

            Professional Spark Generator by Trade.

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            • #21
              Black Wolf...nice work as well...heavy duty

              www.facebook.com/outbackaluminumwelding
              Miller Dynasty 700...OH YEA BABY!!
              MM 350P...PULSE SPRAYIN' MONSTER
              Miller Dynasty 280 with AC independent expansion card
              Miller Dynasty 200 DX "Blue Lightning"

              Miller Bobcat 225 NT (what I began my present Biz with!)
              Miller 30-A Spoolgun
              Miller WC-115-A
              Miller Spectrum 300
              Miller 225 Thunderbolt (my first machine bought new 1980)
              Miller Digital Elite Titanium 9400

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              • #22
                Thanks for the compliment.

                I had to use the pneumatic tires so I wouldn't shake the welder apart travelling up and down the cement pads outside the building as I weld in any of 9 different bays, or outside.

                It comes in handy because I carry a bottle of Argon mix, and a bottle of Pure Argon on the back which allows me to GMAW, FCAW, and GTAW Mild Steel and Stainless Steel, all off of one single unit.

                I also have the capability to SMAW and CAC-A up to 100' away from the cart.

                It is overbuilt for most, but it suits my needs and application perfectly.
                Last edited by Black Wolf; 01-01-2009, 11:37 AM.
                Later,
                Jason

                Professional Spark Generator by Trade.

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                • #23
                  The snapon box only weighs about 400# when loaded (I just picked it up last night with the overhead crane). The frame uses 1" erw tubing with corner gussets on the back corners for the uprights, and then 1" angle to support the casters. It's a vertical load, and lived like that for two years with no issues. The original intent was to build shelves for under it, but I never got around to it. I finally parked that box on top of the matching lower cab I bought for it last summer. The top box came from a pawn shop.

                  Overkill you say; Have you ever noticed how thin sheet metal jack stands will hold your car? Are you aware your plasma cart could probably sustain a 20T vertical load.

                  I share your concerns about pulling the thing off, but if you're careful, that wouldn't happen. If it were me, I'd make a platform that bolted to the welder and allowed the whole top rack to slide sideways for opening the door.
                  Syncrowave 250DX
                  Invison 354MP
                  XR Control and 30A

                  Airco MED20 feeder
                  Thermal Dynamics Cutmaster 81
                  Smith O/A rig
                  And more machinery than you can shake a 7018 rod at

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                  • #24
                    Hey Black Wolf,

                    Nice work as usual.

                    FK,

                    What's not shown in those photos are the handle tabs welded to the underside of the 2" support below the lower shelf.

                    I took a couple tabs (if you will) and drilled 1" holes in them. Then took a burr and cut a notch off to the side at 90 degrees. Handle is a length of 3/4" pipe bent into two 90 deg angles with a 1/4" stud welded at the end where it goes thru the tabs. You simply slide the handle in, rotate up 90 deg, and lift the front casters off the ground.

                    Cart was built this way so that I could roll it out to the yard. We have 50A outlets (for plugging the boats in while in for service) and air drops at several points in the yard (and on the docks). Around the shop I don't use the handle since the cart rolls so easily. Size is a little misleading in the photos. Those rear wheels are 10" and the front casters are 4". First time my buddy saw the cart, he called it the "all terrain" plasma cart.
                    Syncrowave 250 DX Tigrunner
                    Dynasty 200 DX
                    Miller XMT 304 w/714D Feeder & Optima Control
                    Miller MM 251 w/Q300 & 30A SG
                    Hobart HH187
                    Dialarc 250 AC/DC
                    Hypertherm PM 600 & 1250
                    Wilton 7"x12" bandsaw
                    PC Dry Cut Saw, Dewalt Chop Saw
                    Milwaukee 8" Metal Cut Saw, Milwaukee Portaband.
                    Thermco and Smith (2) Gas Mixers
                    More grinders than hands

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                    • #25
                      Fishy,

                      Hey man. Yea I know a little about vertical loads. Also understand a little about lateral loading also.

                      Just thought it funny to see your mig cart (built like a tank) and then there was that nice Snap On box sitting on those spindly legs. Glad to hear it's found a "proper home".

                      Guess I'm a little sensitive. We've got a guy who works for the yard who could break an anvil if it wasn't bolted down. Great guy and a hard worker. Just doesn't think sometimes. Went into the shop a couple of weeks ago. Laying on my woodworking bench was one of my cabinet chisels (Lie-Neilson honed to a razor edge) and the cutting edge looked like a saw tooth. When I asked him what the he!! he'd used it for, he replied "Oh, I just knocked some bronze plates off that sailboat mast." Oh well, an hour later after the Tormek grinder and the waterstones, my chisel was good as new.
                      Syncrowave 250 DX Tigrunner
                      Dynasty 200 DX
                      Miller XMT 304 w/714D Feeder & Optima Control
                      Miller MM 251 w/Q300 & 30A SG
                      Hobart HH187
                      Dialarc 250 AC/DC
                      Hypertherm PM 600 & 1250
                      Wilton 7"x12" bandsaw
                      PC Dry Cut Saw, Dewalt Chop Saw
                      Milwaukee 8" Metal Cut Saw, Milwaukee Portaband.
                      Thermco and Smith (2) Gas Mixers
                      More grinders than hands

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                      • #26
                        The box sat between angle braced across the bottom of the top rails, so that the structure itself helped support the uprights from twisting. The sides were saddled in the lips of the vertical angle end plates, then the bottom support rails of the box cradled the crossmembers. The whole works was welded on one side, then clamped on the other. It was actually very rigid considering it only needed to roll around flat concrete. If I needed to use it on an angle (like my driveway), I would've done it a little differently.

                        The mig cart is actually more flexible than I had hoped for. The channel should've really been tubing, but it isn't so twisty as to need boxing (I thought about it). Had I used the channel in the other plane, it would be far more rigid, but then it would've taken up more width and made the whole thing wider. It's the price I paid for making it a single backbone design rather than a box. I also made the whole cart out of stock on hand, so that limited my material choices. The top skin was part of the old washing machine.
                        Syncrowave 250DX
                        Invison 354MP
                        XR Control and 30A

                        Airco MED20 feeder
                        Thermal Dynamics Cutmaster 81
                        Smith O/A rig
                        And more machinery than you can shake a 7018 rod at

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          Fishy,

                          Fully understand using "stock on hand". I've "modified" many projects to use what I had available.

                          I'm pretty lucky in that sense. Got a good friend who runs a pretty large (50+ men) fab shop. I do a little consulting for him and did a lot of consulting for his dad when his dad used to own Atlantic Steel Fabricators. I have access to his dumpsters (Alum, SS, and mild steel). It's amazing how much "good stuff" gets thrown away. Having access to a water jet and a 10' x 20' plasma table (Hypertherm 260 cutter) is also nice.

                          I buy most of the steel I buy thru them also. Better price than I can get elsewhere and they get deliveries at least 3 times per week.
                          Syncrowave 250 DX Tigrunner
                          Dynasty 200 DX
                          Miller XMT 304 w/714D Feeder & Optima Control
                          Miller MM 251 w/Q300 & 30A SG
                          Hobart HH187
                          Dialarc 250 AC/DC
                          Hypertherm PM 600 & 1250
                          Wilton 7"x12" bandsaw
                          PC Dry Cut Saw, Dewalt Chop Saw
                          Milwaukee 8" Metal Cut Saw, Milwaukee Portaband.
                          Thermco and Smith (2) Gas Mixers
                          More grinders than hands

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                          • #28
                            This is one of my stock on hand piles (yes, a material rack is on the agenda):


                            And here's the toolbox:


                            Now I get to migrate most of the stuff out of the top one into the bottom one after cutting some new drawer liners for it. It'll be nice not having to dig through my combination wrenches to find the right one. The bottom unit has been sitting empty since it came home.
                            Syncrowave 250DX
                            Invison 354MP
                            XR Control and 30A

                            Airco MED20 feeder
                            Thermal Dynamics Cutmaster 81
                            Smith O/A rig
                            And more machinery than you can shake a 7018 rod at

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                            • #29
                              SundownIII, yeah, I was thinking your cart didn't look THAT overbuilt!

                              Jason....now THAT'S a cart I want to build!!!!!!!!
                              but...ugh......RED??? JUST JOKING!!! I've used that mig before, and I know it kicks @ss!!!!!!!!!!!! The only thing I would have changed though, is tuck in those foot plates so they wouldn't have stuck out.
                              Other than that, that is a D@MN awsome cart!!!!!!
                              I'm not late...
                              I'm just on Hawaiian Time

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                              • #30
                                Hey Bert - Thanks for the compliments...

                                I'm working on learning more Hawaiian, but I am not following "foot plates" I've enclosed a few pics of it in raw steel to show the front casters sticking out past the frame so I could use 3 bolts/caster, and also show why I needed the frame wider at the rear to accomodate the dual bottles.

                                I am curious though about the "foot plates"

                                Thanks.
                                Attached Files
                                Later,
                                Jason

                                Professional Spark Generator by Trade.

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