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  • #46
    Has anyone tried that circular saw that has the 2 blades on it from craftsman supposably marketed to cut metal?


    By the way dewalt is cheaply made in my opinion. We burn up more 4" angle grinders and drills on a daily basis at the shipyards. I used to like dewalt, because everyone else told me they were a good brand, but I know better now. Its not only in the shipyard, Ive burned up two dewalt angle grinders, 1 milwaukee, 1 ryobi, and 1 northern tool brand angle grinders at my house. Now I only use Hilti, which is still going strong after all the abuse I dish out. Very expensive grinder, but well worth the money.
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    • #47
      I have had the Evolution Rage III compound slide miter saw for about a year now. It works great and no problems at all. Cuts very accurate, repeatable miters in both directions. That is all I use it for. I use Makita and Milwaukee abrasive chop saws for regular 90 degree cutting. It has been well worth the $300 I paid for it, which was a very good price for what it is.

      I recently bought the Evolution Rage I, 7-1/4" hand circular saw and it seems to work pretty good in the limited use I have done with it so far. It cost about $150 and that seems like a good price to me.

      I think the next one I will get will be the Rage II 14" chop saw and buy a Lennox steel blade for it. I think I can get this for about $280 locally, which seems like a great price to me, considering most of this type of saw are $400+.
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      • #48
        Those lenox metal blades look cool,can they be put in any circular saw?

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        • #49
          OK now I've read through 5 pages of comments, remarks and so forth. I still have a few questions. No one has stated where these saws are made. Are the U.S.A. products or an import? Secondly no one has mentioned the ability of the blades to be re-sharpened. Are the blades re-sharpen able or is the cost near equivalent to replacement?

          I need to get a decent saw which I can move around and store easily as space is a factor for me. Most of my current power tools are either Porter Cable (for woodworking) and Milwaukee (for both wood and metal working). I was considering an abrasive saw until I talked to a salesman at a local tool supply store and he recommended the Milwaukee saw but he also said it is an import saw.

          Any answers will be greatly appreciated.

          Thanks
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          • #50
            So far as I know, the Evolutions are made in Germany and the company is German.

            The Evolution steel blades are re-sharpenable. Not sure about the mult-purpose blades, as they have a wierd shape to them and I've not asked about having one sharpened. Other brand blades will fit on the saws, as they center bore diameter is standard, so there's no problem with finding blades.

            The Lennox blades can be put on any saw with a matching bore diameter and rpm range.

            I can't imagine not having an abrasive 14" chop saw, they're just too useful, so if you don't have one of those already, I would say get one first before jumping into more expensive saws. You may find that's all you need and they cost less than $200 at most hardware stores.

            Milwaukee is a US company. Makita is Japanese.
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            • #51
              Desertrider33,

              I realize that Milwaukee is an American company. I recently purchased one of their 4 1/2" angle grinders and was disappointed when I found out it was made in one of the Asian countries. I'm not so gun shy of buying European imports mainly because those countries also buy our products. My local welding store is trying to get me to buy a Metabo 14" abrasive saw at 249.00 which is in the ball park of these saws. Metabo is also a German company and actually they started out making drills and the name actually is derived from that, they were going to call it Metal Boren and shortened it to Metabo. I had actually considered buying their 4 1/2" grinder but it does not have a paddle switch which is what I need due to an injury.

              Now I have to decide do I want an abrasive saw or one of these saws. I also saw something on their site which interested me and at a price I'd be willing to pay. They have a magnetic drill which resembles the Hougen Rota-Broach. I'd opt for the one which will go from 7/16 to 2 and I think it was 3/8. Anyway I know it was over 2" and that would be a big plus for me.

              I do have a recurring job which I have to cut 3/4 x 3/4 angle and 3/4 square tubing to make trays which go into a drying oven. I currently borrow an abrasive saw to cut this job and spend a good deal of time removing the burrs left by the abrasive saw. Would one of these saws with the proper blade cut down my time deburring the parts before assembling them? This would be a big factor in making my decision on which saw to buy. I also build some aluminum frames from 1" square tubing in an octagonal shape. I currently cut aluminum with a standard 12" chop saw with either an 80 or 120 tooth blade and lube it with either Do-All or Valvoline Stick Wax and in a pinch I've found that nozzle spray will work too.

              I'm on a tight budget and right now can only afford to buy one saw.

              Thanks for the input!
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              • #52
                Yes, cutting with the toothed blade will greatly decrease your de-burring time. That is one of the things I like about the Evolution miter saw and hand circular saws I have and one of the reasons I am planning to buy the Evolution 14" chop saw as well, at some point in the future. I still use my abrasive chop saws, but having the clean cut of the toothed blade is nice too.

                The saw will have no problem cutting the metals you described with ease.
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                • #53
                  Desertrider33,

                  Now I'm leaning toward the toothed blade. The abrasive blade won't handle the aluminum. The fact that I can reduce my deburring time is a big plus for me. I'll have to see if there is anyone in my area carrying the Evolution saws.

                  Thanks for the input!
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                  • #54
                    I don't know if you have Airgas welding supply out there but out here they carry Evolution.
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                    • #55
                      i just used a Milwaukee 14" tubgsten saw blade saw to cut a bunch of solid bar.
                      3/8", 1/2", a lot of 5/8" and 1"

                      had a freud metal demon blade from epray.
                      blade=$40
                      worked a charm and still going strong.

                      think the blade that came with the saw was a POS

                      the saw is fine, well made and designed. tool less vice....*****...cast base.

                      just dont lean on it when your cutting.

                      the blades should be re sharponable if you dont need to replace lots of tips

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                      • #56
                        Gord, which saw do you have?

                        From the pics on the website, it appeared to me the Evolution Rage 2 and Raptor 2 chop saws have a cast base...?

                        My Rage 3 miter saw has a very sturdy cast base, no complaints about it at all.
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                        • #57
                          Desertrider33,

                          Yes we have Airgas out my way, that's who I buy all of my welding supplies from. Ours doesn't currently have the Evolution brand they're pushing the Metabo products and carry Milwaukee as well. I'd really like to actually see the saw before I lay down my $$$ for it if you know what I mean. I guess I'm kind of old fashioned in that respect. Anyway thanks for all of the info it's helped me considerably in my decision on which saw to buy.

                          Thanks again!
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by gordfraser View Post
                            i just used a Milwaukee 14" tubgsten saw blade saw to cut a bunch of solid bar.
                            3/8", 1/2", a lot of 5/8" and 1"

                            had a freud metal demon blade from epray.
                            blade=$40
                            worked a charm and still going strong.

                            think the blade that came with the saw was a POS

                            the saw is fine, well made and designed. tool less vice....*****...cast base.

                            just dont lean on it when your cutting.

                            the blades should be re sharponable if you dont need to replace lots of tips
                            Well a blade is the least of my worries they're easily replaced. The main thing is the saw it's self. Is it sturdy and well made? If that is good then a blade is minor.

                            I was looking at the Rage2 and it appeared that it had the cast base but again I'd like to see one in person to verify that it is sturdy. I think I will call the 800 number on their website and ask if there are any dealers in my area and I will actually go and look at it before I buy it.

                            Thanks for the input!
                            Blondie (Owner C & S Automotive)

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                            • #59
                              The blade is the thing doing the cutting, and over time it will be -- by far -- your biggest expense. At $100-150 a pop, you don't want to blow one in the first five minutes of work.

                              For what it's worth, I also use the Milwaukee cold saw with ebay-sourced Freud Diablo blades.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Desertrider33 View Post
                                So far as I know, the Evolutions are made in Germany and the company is German.

                                Milwaukee is a US company. Makita is Japanese.
                                Milwaukee was sold by the Swedish firm Atlas Copco to the Japanese firm, Techtronics, in October 2004. It hasn't been in American hands since 1995.

                                Evolution saws and blades are from Sheffield, England.

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