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  • #16
    nfinch86-CANADIAN WELDOR :

    BYE THE WAY, That Old LINCOLN on my truck has been around Almost as Long as me , I Checked the serial #'s Built in 1968 it starts First Time Every Time with Old Rope Pull Start !! Norm:
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    • #17
      Originally posted by FATFAB View Post
      Underbid all you want, just play on the same field as the people you are competing with. If the people you are taking work from are not licensed bonded and insured then more power to you.

      Clearly that is not the case, or you would have humbled your self.


      I did start out day one with a bond liability insurance, work comp insurance, followed two weeks later with the two licenses I need. Total spent $1900.00.

      Bye.
      Ok I did some research, just to be clear, as you can see I'm in AZ. Do you happen to know what I need to be legit in AZ? Well I do so I'll let you know. Nothing, if I bill out more than 10k a year which I haven't as of yet, I need a bussiness license and that's only for tax reasons. As far as the bonding, (which is basically and additional guarentee that I stand by my work) no I don't have that, but if there is ever a problem or an issue with my work, my word is my bond and always has been. So if there was an issue and I had to eat a job for whatever reason, guess what, I don't need a piece of paper that forces me to stand by my word, I just do, that's how I was raised.

      My father is a painting contractor, a liscenes and bonded contractrator at that and a small bussiness owner. He is bonded because most of his projects require it. If the customers I did work for required it of me then it is something I would do, but as of now they don't so I will continue to keep my overhead as low as I can.

      To address you undercutting claim, I bid a job for materials and how long it's gonna take me, there was a time when I referenced competitiors bids to give me and idea, by the way thats called staying competitive. If your always high your not gonna get the work, same thing if you lose your a$$ every job you'd probably rethink how you bid things.

      So as far as your black and white issue as it pretains to local laws I know I'm right, and you may be right in your neck of the woods but if your gonna roast somebody do the research first.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by jallcorn View Post
        Sometimes I charge by the hour, that is pretty simple, hours * rate plus materials plus a markup of about 25 to 50 percent on materials.

        So, I "ball-park" it based on how long I think it will take. I look at how much I'll gross minus materials and make a decision to bid the job or not. If I get the job, I do the absolutely best job possible... design, construction, finish. If I think it will take 250 hours and it takes 400. Tough on my part.

        I don't want all the business, I couldn't do it all anyway. I have no competition other than the big companies that farm their work out to Mexico. My work is my signature and my customers are always satisfied.
        Agreed I don't think there's a guy (or girl) out there that hasn't drop the ball and lost their *** on a job at some point. Things happen. Thanks for the contructive advice
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Broccoli1 View Post
          Do you need to be bonded and insured by law?
          Nope, not here anyway can't really speak for other parts of the country though
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          • #20
            Originally posted by nfinch86 View Post
            TO EACH HIS OWN! Survival Of The Fittest. Go For It Man!!
            Thanks Norm, and Ed's right real nice site ya got.
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            • #21
              Ok, how about this, figure out how long you think its going to take, double that and add 30%.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Sberry View Post
                Ok, how about this, figure out how long you think its going to take, double that and add 30%.

                Ok, so what if a guy has been plotting and planning to start his own little bizness for several years now, and he's been paying attention, taking notes, and knows how long the job will actually take.
                Will that formula work for that dude???

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                • #23
                  I give good luck

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by JTMcC View Post
                    Ok, so what if a guy has been plotting and planning to start his own little bizness for several years now, and he's been paying attention, taking notes, and knows how long the job will actually take.
                    Will that formula work for that dude???

                    JTMcC
                    Sure it will.

                    ... since we do not have a figure for Hourly/Day rate - as the Op inquired about, "Is there a going rate for labor...", the formula is rather useless.
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                    • #25
                      nfinch86-CANADIAN WELDOR :

                      SinGear: Thanks, For someone JUST STARTING you got yourself some Gear. As I said ; GO FOR IT MAN !! Norm :
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Broccoli1 View Post
                        Sure it will.

                        ... since we do not have a figure for Hourly/Day rate - as the Op inquired about, "Is there a going rate for labor...", the formula is rather useless.


                        Thanks for your support.

                        That "going rate" thing is pretty important because the locals who've been in business for years know what it takes to survive long term in that marketplace.

                        I've been in business since 1992 and i've watched (literally) over a hundred start ups come and go in my little rural area. 99% of then charged too little. None of them charged too much.

                        You can undercut the local market and pick up "junk" work for a short period, but any company that has serious money to spend on outside welders knows that a real company, doing real work with real welders has to charge a certain rate. And they'll throw out low ball offers. If your rates aren't real world, companies won't take you serious.

                        If I can't make a good living, have good health insurance with dental & eye care, and stash away enough to live comfortably in retirement, then I'm not interested. And I started out completely legit, with a whopping investment of $1800 dollars (1992 dollars, made with a stinger in my hand) and two small children. I was the sole income for my family. If you can't pull the pin then you don't have any business in business.

                        It can be a very harsh world and these guys that operate "part time" welding outfits so they can post as experts on the internet don't have a clue what it takes to provide every $$$$ of income for a family with a stinger in your hand, thay are in my opinion phoneys. Fortunes are made and lost every day in this business, but not by people with a "day job".

                        Anyway, that's my take Mr. Broccoli

                        JTMcC.
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                        • #27
                          After reading JT's post over a couple of times, he pretty much covered it all...
                          Later,
                          Jason

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Sberry View Post
                            Ok, how about this, figure out how long you think its going to take, double that and add 30%.
                            Niice somehow I'm thinking that equation might not work out so well for me. But hey I could always give it a shot
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by FATFAB View Post
                              I give good luck
                              And I wish you all the sucess in the world, no worries on your clients I don't do out of town work.
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                              Arsenal of handtools
                              Evolution Raptor dry saw
                              Single Stage 60 Gallon Compressor
                              Delta Drill Press

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by nfinch86 View Post
                                SinGear: Thanks, For someone JUST STARTING you got yourself some Gear. As I said ; GO FOR IT MAN !! Norm :
                                Thanks Norm, the equipment is really any and all profit I have made on every job I've done, I pay the material and consumable bills a little to the wife to make her happy and then tools, more tools, anything that might make it just a little bit easier the next time, I never do a job without buying at least one tool
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                                Horizontal/ Verticle Bandsaw
                                Makita Angle Grinders
                                Arsenal of handtools
                                Evolution Raptor dry saw
                                Single Stage 60 Gallon Compressor
                                Delta Drill Press

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