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  • #16
    Grumple-

    http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...ad.php?t=13800

    This is the thread Fishy is talking about
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    • #17
      Grumple, that oven came from someones estate and cost me $50 (they're 300 on sale new). It arrived in that condition. I wasn't able to test it when I bought it, but figured it was worth the risk. I'm also pretty sure the oven didn't kill `em (it was an open circuit, not shorted to the case), but I can't say it wasn't another cheap tool as that's all the guy had.

      This one is 18x18x17" inside and about 2' square and a little taller.

      I'll be building a larger oven down the road, this was just a stop-gap measure for the time being. I have some customers who've known I had the powder gun for a while, but didn't have an oven who've been nagging me to get the stuff running. So this is basically just a quick way to make some extra cash before I'm able to build my oven of appropriate capacity for my stuff.

      I actually wish this thing was 240v, because it would consume less current. But I suppose they don't want to limit their market to people capable of wiring new service for feeding it.

      I almost had a used double oven from a new neighbor down the street, but they hauled it to recycling before I could go fetch it and I guess they didn't think I was serious about taking it, because they could've hauled it here and saved about 20 miles of driving. Oh well, I have enough unfinished projects as it is.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by jallcorn View Post
        You might look on Craigslist for a used Hossfeld bender. They do all sorts of stuff and are much heavier duty than the Horrible Freight version, and they have lots of dies and can be equipped with a hydraulic cylinder instead of the hand lever.
        jallcorn,
        I already have a Compact Bender but that won't do it. Is the Hossfeld actually able to do full circles or 1/2 circles in a 12" diameter? I guess if they have a die that big but that would be a pricey die.
        Thanks,
        Grumple
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Broccoli1 View Post
          Grumple-

          http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...ad.php?t=13800

          This is the thread Fishy is talking about
          Ed,
          Thanks for the link. I guess that would would great with flat stock but thick steel tubing might not be so springy. But its a good trick for the book.
          Grumple
          Oxy/Ac Large Tanks
          Miller Swinger AC 180 (SOLD)
          Miller Syncrowave 250DX Runner with Pulser

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Fishy Jim View Post
            Grumple, that oven came from someones estate and cost me $50 (they're 300 on sale new). It arrived in that condition. I wasn't able to test it when I bought it, but figured it was worth the risk. I'm also pretty sure the oven didn't kill `em (it was an open circuit, not shorted to the case), but I can't say it wasn't another cheap tool as that's all the guy had.

            This one is 18x18x17" inside and about 2' square and a little taller.

            I'll be building a larger oven down the road, this was just a stop-gap measure for the time being. I have some customers who've known I had the powder gun for a while, but didn't have an oven who've been nagging me to get the stuff running. So this is basically just a quick way to make some extra cash before I'm able to build my oven of appropriate capacity for my stuff.

            I actually wish this thing was 240v, because it would consume less current. But I suppose they don't want to limit their market to people capable of wiring new service for feeding it.

            I almost had a used double oven from a new neighbor down the street, but they hauled it to recycling before I could go fetch it and I guess they didn't think I was serious about taking it, because they could've hauled it here and saved about 20 miles of driving. Oh well, I have enough unfinished projects as it is.
            Jim,
            I too am going to build an oven but just deciding on the size is killing me. If you build it there is always going to be some after thought on how I should have made it taller/wider/longer. I was going to try to come up with a modular design where I could add a second oven to the first of identical size that had its own heating unit and controller but its still on the drawing board...
            Grumple
            Oxy/Ac Large Tanks
            Miller Swinger AC 180 (SOLD)
            Miller Syncrowave 250DX Runner with Pulser

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Grumple View Post
              jallcorn,
              I already have a Compact Bender but that won't do it. Is the Hossfeld actually able to do full circles or 1/2 circles in a 12" diameter? I guess if they have a die that big but that would be a pricey die.
              Thanks,
              Grumple
              Grumple,
              Save your money for a good ring roller. I have a Hossfled bender and while it works great for many different operations the price of a 12" die set, if it is even available, would probably be more than a good ring roller. Tubing isn't a Hossfeld's forte. It will get the job done, but not with the ease and accuracy of other benders on the market. The reason...it is a universal bender that needs to encompass a wide range of operations. A Hossfeld bender makes sense if you have a wide range of fabrications you need done, but for simple rolling get a ring roller.
              Miller 251...sold the spoolgun to DiverBill.
              Miller DialArc 250
              Lincoln PrecisionTig 275
              Hypertherm 900 plasma cutter
              Bridgeport "J" head mill...tooled up
              Jet 14 X 40 lathe...ditto
              South Bend 9" lathe...yeah, got the change gears too
              Logan 7" shaper
              Ellis 3000 band saw
              Hossfeld bender w/shopbuilt hyd.
              Victor Journeyman torch and gauges
              3 Gerstner boxes of mostly Starrett tools
              Lots of dust bunnies
              Too small of a shop at 40 X 59.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Grumple View Post
                Ed,
                Thanks for the link. I guess that would would great with flat stock but thick steel tubing might not be so springy. But its a good trick for the book.
                Grumple
                How thick are ya talking? If it gets too heavy ya may not have enough Muscle power.

                I used this to make the wheel on my Flat Stock roller.



                Ed Conley
                http://www.screamingbroccoli.net/
                MM252
                MM211
                Passport Plus w/Spool Gun
                TA185
                Miller 125c Plasma 120v
                O/A set
                SO 2020 Bender
                You can call me Bacchus

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                • #23
                  One piece- as it comes around to it's final shape you have to nudge the ends Side by Side.

                  With Flat stock you have to go over under like Chris showed.

                  You can try the 12" Ring in one shot- if it doesn't work then you can always just roll the 2 halves. Larger Dia rings should be no problem. At the school they said I couldn't roll the wheel in one shot- they just didn't realize that ya just make the ends pass each other.

                  One thing for sure is go slowly- any slight screw up because ya applied too much pressure on one pass will make things quite frustrating because it can not be Unrolled.

                  I did 3- first one perfect, 2nd one got cocky and fubared it, 3rd one all good.






                  To make rings you need a Roller.

                  The Hossfeld is an all purpose bender- don't know it it has the ability to be used as a Roller.

                  Roy?
                  Ed Conley
                  http://www.screamingbroccoli.net/
                  MM252
                  MM211
                  Passport Plus w/Spool Gun
                  TA185
                  Miller 125c Plasma 120v
                  O/A set
                  SO 2020 Bender
                  You can call me Bacchus

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                  • #24
                    Eddie,
                    Hossfeld roller??? Nope. Bender? Yep.

                    Sometimes it just pays to go out and see what you can find in your scrap pile. If I was having to do a slug of 12" diameter, or was it radius...whatever, bends I would either turn out a 12" die and bending foot on the lathe and bolt/weld them down to the shop welding table and armstrong walk the bending shoe around the square stock and die if there weren't that many to do OR build a roller and take the easy way out. As Ed said, you would have to go easy and probably fubar a few before you got the hang of it. A die set-up would give you greater repeatability at the expense of being a one function/size tool as opposed to the multi-function/size range for the ring roller.

                    What the heck, this is a fabrication forum...do you really need to buy the tools when the scrap stock is laying around. What the heck, a ring roller is nothing more than three rollers, bearings, bit of shafting, drive for the powered roller(s), frame and either a jack or a feedscrew to adjust pressure for the bend.

                    http://bullfire.net/WP_Roll_Bender.html

                    http://www.bbssystem.com//files/barn...roller_745.pdf
                    Last edited by WyoRoy; 09-21-2008, 02:32 PM.
                    Miller 251...sold the spoolgun to DiverBill.
                    Miller DialArc 250
                    Lincoln PrecisionTig 275
                    Hypertherm 900 plasma cutter
                    Bridgeport "J" head mill...tooled up
                    Jet 14 X 40 lathe...ditto
                    South Bend 9" lathe...yeah, got the change gears too
                    Logan 7" shaper
                    Ellis 3000 band saw
                    Hossfeld bender w/shopbuilt hyd.
                    Victor Journeyman torch and gauges
                    3 Gerstner boxes of mostly Starrett tools
                    Lots of dust bunnies
                    Too small of a shop at 40 X 59.

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                    • #25
                      True Roy- but the Dies are the biggest hurdle for the average Joe w/o a Lathe.

                      I know BUY a Lathe


                      Repeatability is not a problem- it is just a slower process: Apply a little pressure, Roll, apply a little pressure, Roll back- repeat until ya get the Ring.
                      Ed Conley
                      http://www.screamingbroccoli.net/
                      MM252
                      MM211
                      Passport Plus w/Spool Gun
                      TA185
                      Miller 125c Plasma 120v
                      O/A set
                      SO 2020 Bender
                      You can call me Bacchus

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        Eddie,
                        That why I tossed in those two links for ring rollers. Average guy should be able to crank one out with his shop drill press, band saw and welder. It doesn't have to look pretty...just get the job done. Even a simple ring roller set-up should get the work finished better/faster than my Hossfeld.

                        BTW, is my recommendation for the Screamin' Broc tool room/machinist mecca w/beer and welding area up at your place of business ever gonna pay dividends?
                        Miller 251...sold the spoolgun to DiverBill.
                        Miller DialArc 250
                        Lincoln PrecisionTig 275
                        Hypertherm 900 plasma cutter
                        Bridgeport "J" head mill...tooled up
                        Jet 14 X 40 lathe...ditto
                        South Bend 9" lathe...yeah, got the change gears too
                        Logan 7" shaper
                        Ellis 3000 band saw
                        Hossfeld bender w/shopbuilt hyd.
                        Victor Journeyman torch and gauges
                        3 Gerstner boxes of mostly Starrett tools
                        Lots of dust bunnies
                        Too small of a shop at 40 X 59.

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          Originally posted by WyoRoy View Post
                          Grumple,
                          Save your money for a good ring roller. I have a Hossfled bender and while it works great for many different operations the price of a 12" die set, if it is even available, would probably be more than a good ring roller. Tubing isn't a Hossfeld's forte. It will get the job done, but not with the ease and accuracy of other benders on the market. The reason...it is a universal bender that needs to encompass a wide range of operations. A Hossfeld bender makes sense if you have a wide range of fabrications you need done, but for simple rolling get a ring roller.
                          WyoRoy,
                          What do you consider a good ring roller?
                          Thanks,
                          Grumple
                          Oxy/Ac Large Tanks
                          Miller Swinger AC 180 (SOLD)
                          Miller Syncrowave 250DX Runner with Pulser

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Broccoli1 View Post
                            How thick are ya talking? If it gets too heavy ya may not have enough Muscle power.

                            I used this to make the wheel on my Flat Stock roller.



                            Ed,
                            Now thats a nice ring roller and I'll bet out of my reach. Do you own that machine? I have looked at some of those pro models and while nice, I can't justify the cost right now although I would love to have one.
                            Thanks,
                            Grumple
                            Oxy/Ac Large Tanks
                            Miller Swinger AC 180 (SOLD)
                            Miller Syncrowave 250DX Runner with Pulser

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by WyoRoy View Post
                              Eddie,
                              Hossfeld roller??? Nope. Bender? Yep.

                              Sometimes it just pays to go out and see what you can find in your scrap pile. If I was having to do a slug of 12" diameter, or was it radius...whatever, bends I would either turn out a 12" die and bending foot on the lathe and bolt/weld them down to the shop welding table and armstrong walk the bending shoe around the square stock and die if there weren't that many to do OR build a roller and take the easy way out. As Ed said, you would have to go easy and probably fubar a few before you got the hang of it. A die set-up would give you greater repeatability at the expense of being a one function/size tool as opposed to the multi-function/size range for the ring roller.

                              What the heck, this is a fabrication forum...do you really need to buy the tools when the scrap stock is laying around. What the heck, a ring roller is nothing more than three rollers, bearings, bit of shafting, drive for the powered roller(s), frame and either a jack or a feedscrew to adjust pressure for the bend.

                              http://bullfire.net/WP_Roll_Bender.html

                              http://www.bbssystem.com//files/barn...roller_745.pdf
                              Thanks for those links...a plan is sometimes all that is needed.
                              Grumple
                              Oxy/Ac Large Tanks
                              Miller Swinger AC 180 (SOLD)
                              Miller Syncrowave 250DX Runner with Pulser

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Broccoli1 View Post
                                True Roy- but the Dies are the biggest hurdle for the average Joe w/o a Lathe.

                                I know BUY a Lathe


                                Repeatability is not a problem- it is just a slower process: Apply a little pressure, Roll, apply a little pressure, Roll back- repeat until ya get the Ring.
                                Ed,
                                I just bought a lathe Delivered on Thursday but its not wired or even completely assembled yet and needs leveling and break in. So maybe I will just build me a ring roller. Looks like a fun project.
                                Thanks,
                                Grumple
                                Oxy/Ac Large Tanks
                                Miller Swinger AC 180 (SOLD)
                                Miller Syncrowave 250DX Runner with Pulser

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