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    http://www.woodlanddirect.com/Firepl...g-Rack-w-tools

    What tools would I need to bend the metal on this would rack? I want to build this for our cabin to clean up the messy wood and kindling we have laying on the hearth.

    Thanks,
    Curly
    Millermatic 212
    1998 Heritage Springer
    Kioti DK55

  • #2
    A cheap Harbor Freight bender would bend those big hoops and its like 85 bucks. That would be your cheapest tool besides a hammer and torch...Bob
    http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=44094
    Bob Wright

    Spool Gun conversion. How To Do It. Below.
    http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...php?albumid=48

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    • #3
      AA,

      Thanks for that info. I was looking for a metal break all over instead of a bender. I went ahead and ordered that tonight.

      Curly
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      • #4
        Originally posted by aametalmaster View Post
        A cheap Harbor Freight bender would bend those big hoops and its like 85 bucks. That would be your cheapest tool besides a hammer and torch...Bob
        http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=44094
        Bob- I don't see how the parts Bender will bend the Arch holding the Kindling

        Are you talking about the hoops on the handles?

        Need something more along the lines of a Roller for the Arched pieces.

        http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=36790

        Although this is limited to 1" wide Strap
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        • #5
          Ed, you can do arches if you progressively bend small sections.

          Curly, For something like that, you might be better off getting a couple drop sections of pipe from the steel yard. Cut them in half and use the radius that provides. Unless you're real particular about the width, that would be the cheapest option.

          I would use a ring roller, but those aren't cheap either. Unless you want to add it to the arsenal (they are handy), the cut pipe would be the more economical approach.
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          • #6
            Broc,

            Thanks, I actually ordered that, a scroll attachment, and a twister thing when I ordered the bender. Might do some stuff along the lines of banasters on the porch of our log cabin. We have nice log (small logs) banasters now, but we have a lot of wood. I'm thinking some metal would really spice some things up around this place. Dang, I ain't even got power to the welder yet

            Thanks for the input

            Curly
            Millermatic 212
            1998 Heritage Springer
            Kioti DK55

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Fishy Jim View Post
              Ed, you can do arches if you progressively bend small sections.

              Curly, For something like that, you might be better off getting a couple drop sections of pipe from the steel yard. Cut them in half and use the radius that provides. Unless you're real particular about the width, that would be the cheapest option.

              I would use a ring roller, but those aren't cheap either. Unless you want to add it to the arsenal (they are handy), the cut pipe would be the more economical approach.
              Jim,

              Yep, I got a few other things. Anything over $140 or so was $11.99 so I looked through there good and made sure I had a few things.

              1 36620-6VGA 1/2'' PICKET TWISTER ATTACHMENT 49.99 49.99
              1 36621-8VGA SCROLL ATTACHMENT FOR ITEM 31980 29.99 29.99
              1 44094-9VGA Benchtop Bar and Rod Bender 84.99 84.99
              4 46297-3VGA FIXED RIGHT ANGLE WELDING MAGNET 11.99 47.96
              1 36790-9VGA Metal Planetary Ring Roller 69.99 69.99
              1 45430-2VGA Pack of 10 4-1/2" Cut-off Wheels for Metal 5.99 5.99
              1 40324-3VGA 150 PC. HITCH CLIP ASSORTMENT 3.99 3.99
              1 771-4VGA Pack of 10 4" Grinding Wheels for Metal 4.99 4.99

              Thanks
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              • #8
                Curly,
                Get a short drop of pipe in the diameter you want the radius of those bends...maybe 2" high or just a tad wider than the widest strap you envision bending. Tack the pipe to your table top. Tack a 1/2" or 5/8" bolt by the head to the center of the circle that the pipe now frames with enough thread to attach a section of strap, pipe or whatever you want to use as a bending fulcrum. Drill that strap, pipe, whatever to sit on top of the pipe with a handle end and a bending end sticking out past the rim of the pipe and loosely bolt to the top. Weld a piece of 5/8 or larger rod to the strap, pipe, whatever so that it is loosely butting up against the pipe with the strap you want to bend sitting between that section of rod and the pipe. Tack a second section of rod anywhere close to the pipe to use as a stop for the strap as it is being drawn around the pipe. Walk the handle you've bolted to the top of the pipe around the perimeter and you'll have your bent strap. When you're done, grind the jig off the table and go on to your next project. this will let you bend thicker and wider straping than the HF model...only limit is how much grunt you want to put into the work.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by curly View Post

                  What tools would I need to bend the metal on this would rack?


                  Made me chuckle!!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by benny365 View Post
                    Made me chuckle!!
                    Gotta love the English language.


                    Catch myself doing the same thing once in a while and since it is spelled correctly Spell Check doesn't Flag it
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                    • #11
                      Here is the last arch i made with my HF bender. I figured the radius and marked lines like every 3 or 4 inches then just bend a little at a time until you get the radius you want. You can use a piece of cardboard with the radius drawn on it to use for a template. Your log holder might be marked every inch or so because its smaller. Also use a stand to hold up the long end to keep everything straight and level...Bob
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by aametalmaster View Post
                        Here is the last arch i made with my HF bender. I figured the radius and marked lines like every 3 or 4 inches then just bend a little at a time until you get the radius you want. You can use a piece of cardboard with the radius drawn on it to use for a template. Your log holder might be marked every inch or so because its smaller. Also use a stand to hold up the long end to keep everything straight and level...Bob
                        Very nice. A yard trellis is on my list too. I've always built that kinda stuff outta wood in the past, but wanna get some steel stuff around this log cabin. I've always been a would worker and now I wanna become a still worker too.

                        That last sentence was designed to make Benny chuckle

                        By the way, that universal bender in the link is great.

                        www.shopoutfitters.com

                        I'm like that fella, I usually wear a lab coat when I'm workin on stuff.
                        Last edited by curly; 09-13-2008, 06:19 AM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by curly View Post

                          I'm like that fella, I usually wear a lab coat when I'm workin on stuff.

                          This is funny not to do with anything but a lab coat. I had one when i was 18 or so that i wore to be stupid along with my bowling shoes. But anyway those of us that can remember the blizzard of '77 or '78 will chuckle. My buddy got his car stuck on a hill with like 6 inches of snow and i said i will jump out and push. Well i pushed and he caught traction and he flew up the hill and stopped at the stop sign and got out to see where i was. I was standing there. He said i know you didn't run up here i said nope my coat got hooked on your bumper guards and you drug me up here. Sure glad there was a stop sign and he wasn't out for a long drive. So i gave up the long coat that instant...Bob
                          Bob Wright

                          Spool Gun conversion. How To Do It. Below.
                          http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...php?albumid=48

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by aametalmaster View Post
                            Here is the last arch i made with my HF bender. I figured the radius and marked lines like every 3 or 4 inches then just bend a little at a time until you get the radius you want. You can use a piece of cardboard with the radius drawn on it to use for a template. Your log holder might be marked every inch or so because its smaller. Also use a stand to hold up the long end to keep everything straight and level...Bob
                            Ouch- not me brudda- I would have just purchased a Roller-

                            I picked up this one:

                            http://cgi.ebay.com/Sheet-Metal-Pede...QQcmdZViewItem
                            Last edited by Broccoli1; 09-13-2008, 05:00 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by curly View Post
                              http://www.woodlanddirect.com/Firepl...g-Rack-w-tools

                              What tools would I need to bend the metal on this would rack? I want to build this for our cabin to clean up the messy wood and kindling we have laying on the hearth.

                              Thanks,
                              Curly
                              Hi Curly,

                              From where I'm standing, you need a welder, a cutting tool, and perhaps your "would"working equipment.

                              The real question is if you want to build the rack EXACTLY as shown, or a just a close facsimile thereof. I would just work the design around all the hard bends shown in the frame and base so you don't need a bender for those details, unless it's the specific look of the picture you're after.
                              For the inverted arches, 1/8" x 1.5" flat bar stock should just bend to fit without having to roll anything. The arch will have spring however, so you'd have to weld something between the posts to bridge the gap. Otherwise, just cut a plywood radius template smaller than the radius you're looking for (to allow for springback)and pull that bar around it. You'll wonder what all the fuss was about.

                              T'aint no big deal.

                              That being said, the $99 harbor freight universal bender and the cheapo ebay ring roller will open up many doors for your future projects. IMHO, these are truly a lot of bang for the buck.

                              Have fun!
                              Last edited by chrisgay@sbcglo; 09-13-2008, 11:08 AM. Reason: spelling and clarity
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