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    Hello Everyone!

    I am a High School welding teacher, and I need to get a saw for my school shop. We have a chop saw, so I am looking at cold cut or band saws. I want it to cut angles easily. I am leaning toward band saws as they seem to be a little cheaper. I probably have up to $4500 to spend, but hopefully not quite that much. I want it to be accurate, Easy to use, and TOUGH! (They kids can destroy the best of things!) I also would like it to cut 6" box tube or so...

    I have been looking at Wilton and Balieh saws, but do you have any words of wisdom?

    Thanks Everyone! I enjoy reading your info very much!

  • #2
    Ellis. Besides being made here in the U.S. of A. it is a fine saw set up for easily cutting angles. Except for the backbone of the saw frame and the swivel everything else is manufactured out of regular steel and should be good to go for years to come OR easily mended with a little fabrication, grinding and welding back into place. For 6" box tube you wouldn't even need that large of an Ellis model.
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    • #3
      saws

      i just bought the grizzly g0613 its a great saw for $1500.00
      but if i had $3000.00 i would go with the Ellis 1600
      go to there web site and they will send you info and a dvd
      Last edited by BC Iron works; 08-09-2008, 10:08 AM.

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      • #4
        Hellowyo, I just took a look at your profile and saw that you are over in Greybull. You're more than welcome to take a drive over the mountain to Gillette and check out my Ellis down at the shop.
        Miller 251...sold the spoolgun to DiverBill.
        Miller DialArc 250
        Lincoln PrecisionTig 275
        Hypertherm 900 plasma cutter
        Bridgeport "J" head mill...tooled up
        Jet 14 X 40 lathe...ditto
        South Bend 9" lathe...yeah, got the change gears too
        Logan 7" shaper
        Ellis 3000 band saw
        Hossfeld bender w/shopbuilt hyd.
        Victor Journeyman torch and gauges
        3 Gerstner boxes of mostly Starrett tools
        Lots of dust bunnies
        Too small of a shop at 40 X 59.

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        • #5
          I'd say an Ellis as well.... blades are lots cheaper than cold saw blades....and the kids are less likely to jack up the Ellis with too fast of feed rates etc.....plus Ellis is widely used in fab shops as well as production type work so they would be familiar with the saw and it controls prior to working in the the trade.....
          George W. Bush was saving your butt whether you liked it or not!
          Fear is temporary, regret is forever
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          • #6
            Ellis! Biggest cut for the Buck.

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            • #7
              Bandsaws are more forgiving then coldsaws, when used by "non-thinkers".

              Bandsaw blades are cheaper to buy but coldsaw blades can be sharpened many times.

              To cut 6" box would require a large coldsaw, once again the nod goes to a bandsaw.
              Tim Beeker,
              T-N-J Industries
              (my side bussiness)

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              table saw
              Dewalt cut off saw
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              • #8
                Yup, a bandsaw would be a much better choice. You have to be perfect with the cold saws or the blades either go away fast or in one cut. That can get expensive...don't ask me how I know that.
                Don


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                '06 12RC feeder
                Super S-32P feeder

                HH210 & DP3035 spool gun
                Esab Multimaster 260
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                • #9
                  Yep,
                  But if you do have them sharpenend I use Tru cut in Ohio, $14.00 per blade.
                  Tim Beeker,
                  T-N-J Industries
                  (my side bussiness)

                  Miller Synchrowave 350LX with tigrunner
                  Esab 450i with wire feeder
                  HH135 mig
                  Thermal Dynamics cutmaster 51 plasma cutter
                  Miller aircrafter 330 - sold
                  Marathon 315mm coldsaw
                  vertical and horizontal band saws
                  table saw
                  Dewalt cut off saw
                  Sand blast cabinet
                  lots of hand grinders
                  Harris torch
                  beer fridge

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tnjind View Post
                    Yep,
                    But if you do have them sharpenend I use Tru cut in Ohio, $14.00 per blade.
                    Could you imagine what a cold saw blade would look like the first time a HS kid jammed it into a piece of stock because it was cutting too slow..... after you payed to have the teeth welded back on then sharpened you'd have been better off with a new one....
                    George W. Bush was saving your butt whether you liked it or not!
                    Fear is temporary, regret is forever
                    HH210 with SG

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                    • #11
                      Of all my DW blades, I have only one that can be resharpened. The rest are trashed beyond hope. Now, that is with me trying to be careful and making smallish mistakes now and again. Imagine what rank amateurs that are not paying attention could do in a single day. I could see them going through a 1000 clams worth of blades in a single bad day.
                      Don


                      '06 Trailblazer 302
                      '06 12RC feeder
                      Super S-32P feeder

                      HH210 & DP3035 spool gun
                      Esab Multimaster 260
                      Esab Heliarc 252 AC/DC

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                      • #12
                        Band saw. !!!!!!!!

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                        • #13
                          Maybe a dumb question, but whatsa "DW blade"?
                          Tim Beeker,
                          T-N-J Industries
                          (my side bussiness)

                          Miller Synchrowave 350LX with tigrunner
                          Esab 450i with wire feeder
                          HH135 mig
                          Thermal Dynamics cutmaster 51 plasma cutter
                          Miller aircrafter 330 - sold
                          Marathon 315mm coldsaw
                          vertical and horizontal band saws
                          table saw
                          Dewalt cut off saw
                          Sand blast cabinet
                          lots of hand grinders
                          Harris torch
                          beer fridge

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tnjind View Post
                            Maybe a dumb question, but whatsa "DW blade"?
                            Dewalt

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                            • #15
                              Yup............
                              Don


                              '06 Trailblazer 302
                              '06 12RC feeder
                              Super S-32P feeder

                              HH210 & DP3035 spool gun
                              Esab Multimaster 260
                              Esab Heliarc 252 AC/DC

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