Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Welding Table Top - thickness??

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #31
    where do you get the half vise grip clamps at?

    i'm considering making a table from 6" wide 3/8s steel flat bar just a 48"x38"table . i dont have the help to start moving around a few hundred pounds of plate in my garage so flat bar is easier to manage.

    Andy
    Dynasty 200DX
    MillerMatic 211
    Hypertherm Max 42

    Comment


    • #32
      andyman,

      The clamps are designed to work with the Buildpro table.
      You could use them if your table has a 5/8" diameter hole as the clamp fits into this size hole. Needs about 1/2" thickness to work properly.

      The table weighs 900 lbs assembled.
      I took off the 10 plates and the legs when I moved it in to my garage.
      This brought the frame down to about 400 lbs.

      Then I put the legs on and added the plates.
      Used a hydraulic engine hoist to save my back.

      Here is website www.stronghandtools.com.
      Miller Dynasty 350, Dynasty 210 DX, Hypertherm 1000, Thermal Arc GTSW400, Airco Heliwelder II, oxy-fuel setup, metal cutting bandsaw, air compressor, drill press, etc.

      Call me the "Clouseau" of welding !

      Comment


      • #33
        the clamps fit into a precision 5/8 hole?
        not threaded huh?
        how well does a vise grip clamp fit in your opening?

        i'm sure my frame wont weigh 400lbs i think im gonna use 2x2 3/16 wall for the frame. cant use thicker wall since my welder only will do 3/16

        Andy
        Dynasty 200DX
        MillerMatic 211
        Hypertherm Max 42

        Comment


        • #34
          andyman,

          The clamp has a "peg leg" post which fits into the 5/8" hole.

          Like you, I thought it would be threaded but the clamps really work and the hole is not precision machined, it's just drilled.

          My woodworking friend saw my table and said it was just like his $600 beechwood woodworking table which has similar clamps that fit into holes in the table..

          I said " Wish you had shown me your table a month ago".

          Of course after I got my table, I think about all sorts of other cheaper options.

          Since you are getting started in your table design, how about using 2" x 2" perforated square tubing for a frame?

          This is the stuff that is used for stop sign posts.

          Lots of holes for adjustment here.

          Maybe even perforated metal for the top surface if it is available thick enough for your purposes.

          Good luck
          Miller Dynasty 350, Dynasty 210 DX, Hypertherm 1000, Thermal Arc GTSW400, Airco Heliwelder II, oxy-fuel setup, metal cutting bandsaw, air compressor, drill press, etc.

          Call me the "Clouseau" of welding !

          Comment


          • #35
            I like the idea, but I'm pretty sure most municipal sign posts have 3/8" holes (on 1" centers). They're also typically galvanized, which might not be ideal for a welding table.
            Jack Olsen
            The Garage (And its slideshow)
            The Car (And its slideshow)

            Comment


            • #36
              i would think most perforated material would be galvanized since its intended use is for street sign and things of the nature.
              but it would be cost effective just run around town grabbing street sign post.
              i figure the whole table may cost somewhere around $200-$300 ish.
              better than buying the stronghand for 2K i believe when im just a hobby welder.
              no offense burnt hands besides you needed it for a job anyways.

              so your saying if i use a regualer 5/8s drill bit the clamps will fit no problem?
              do you have to order them online or is there a store that sells them???

              I'll have to get around to designing the table in 3-D CAD and post some pics

              Andy
              Dynasty 200DX
              MillerMatic 211
              Hypertherm Max 42

              Comment


              • #37

                only 350 lbs assembled
                Dynasty 200DX
                MillerMatic 211
                Hypertherm Max 42

                Comment


                • #38
                  andyman,

                  Here is the link to the buildpro site.

                  The clamp sells for about $25 but you could probably make your own easily.
                  Plus with your table design, you can use plain C clamps which are a lot cheaper.

                  I would go the site and get ideas from their tooling.

                  http://www.stronghandtools.com/pdf/b...Pro_Lit_LQ.pdf

                  As I said, I was under a time crunch so I went with their table. I love it but like everyone here, I would prefer to build my own stuff for the challenge and bragging rights.

                  Having said that, I have kicked myself many times after making a fixture and then seeing a commercially made product.

                  Now I try to look on the web for ideas or products I can adapt before I go to all the work to make my own.

                  I like your design for your table. One suggestion I got from my table is to make the hole spacing on your tabe such that you could cantelever one or more slats to increase the depth of your table for bigger work. My table allows for that but my garage does not make it easy.

                  Of course one could tinker forever with the design instead of actually getting down to building it.

                  have fun !
                  Miller Dynasty 350, Dynasty 210 DX, Hypertherm 1000, Thermal Arc GTSW400, Airco Heliwelder II, oxy-fuel setup, metal cutting bandsaw, air compressor, drill press, etc.

                  Call me the "Clouseau" of welding !

                  Comment


                  • #39
                    andyman,

                    forgot the photo of the clamp
                    Attached Files
                    Miller Dynasty 350, Dynasty 210 DX, Hypertherm 1000, Thermal Arc GTSW400, Airco Heliwelder II, oxy-fuel setup, metal cutting bandsaw, air compressor, drill press, etc.

                    Call me the "Clouseau" of welding !

                    Comment


                    • #40
                      Burnt hands,

                      i tested if a normal large size i believe the 11" vise grip clamp could fit in my opening. it will so long as i flip it upside meaning the release part is up in the air. just like the half clamp picture you posted. it can reach like 4" in so i wont have a problem with a handful of those and maybe some 5"+ clamps for when i run into the supports.

                      I think i get what your saying cantilevering. i saw on your table you have 4 cross members that the plates screw into. your saying you can move several plates out where you only have bolts in 3 of the 4 or even 2 of the cross members?

                      I'm still at home with the parents and the garage has a lot of stuff in it. it has become more organized since i got my welder my dad like that lol. i actually haven't made a table so far since i haven't had a spot for it but i got a great spot for it now.

                      Oh and i figure i can save a few bucks and use the open of the box on my table as a receiving trailer hitch for my vise.

                      its not time to shoot the engineer and get on with it yet i still need the cash for the materials i should get it this week.

                      Andy
                      Last edited by andyman; 09-13-2009, 08:58 PM.
                      Dynasty 200DX
                      MillerMatic 211
                      Hypertherm Max 42

                      Comment


                      • #41
                        A similar (but not identical) clamp is eight bucks (less when it's on sale), if you're okay with a Chinese knock-off. I have two of them that I use on my drill press.



                        http://amzn.to/1QrL0Yy
                        Last edited by Jack Olsen; 09-13-2009, 10:43 PM.
                        Jack Olsen
                        The Garage (And its slideshow)
                        The Car (And its slideshow)

                        Comment


                        • #42
                          ya i have seen those at HF. i was wondering where to get the vise grip brand. i i think now im just gonna go with the big 11" vise grips for my table i shouldn't have a problem with those. I will i have to get a few of those for my drill press. do you also use a vise?

                          burnt hands,

                          i was talking with the guys at work about my table and they pointed out my screws will back out once i start heating things and banging on the table. do you have this problem? are your screws tapped or do they use a nut? i was planning on tapping mine. maybe use high temp lock tight and either a torque wrench or an impact gun to tighten the screws.

                          Andy
                          Dynasty 200DX
                          MillerMatic 211
                          Hypertherm Max 42

                          Comment


                          • #43
                            Andy,

                            The bolts holding the plates to my frame are socket head hex screws.
                            The frame is tapped for the hex head screws.

                            Since I don't intend to pound on this table, I actually used anti-seize compound on the threads so I can easily move the plates around when I need to. I have had so many cases of frozen bolts that I do this as a matter of habit. Never had any bolts loosen, usually it's just the opposite.

                            I have my old plain table top which I can hammer and pound on and I also have an anvil for really heavy work. This way I have the best of precision and brute force choices.

                            I have added a piece of stainless sheet to the area I work on to keep from losing small parts thru the openings in the table. Saves lots of cussing.

                            Here is a photo of a dog sculpture I am making for a local shelter fund raiser.
                            This is my small contribution as they are wonderful people.
                            Hope it brings in a good price for them.

                            The head is not finished yet but I will send completed photos.

                            If you look carefully, you can see a cat sculpture I repaired for a friend.
                            This is a blatent Chinese copy of those made by Yardbirds.
                            While Yardbirds uses auto lug nuts for the eyes, the copy uses a iron casting.
                            The copycats also use a casting for the feet while Yardbirds uses auro rocker arms and ball bearings for their feet.
                            I guess they plan on selling lots of knock-offs if they went to the trouble of tooling up cast iron molds for these.

                            take care,
                            Attached Files
                            Miller Dynasty 350, Dynasty 210 DX, Hypertherm 1000, Thermal Arc GTSW400, Airco Heliwelder II, oxy-fuel setup, metal cutting bandsaw, air compressor, drill press, etc.

                            Call me the "Clouseau" of welding !

                            Comment


                            • #44
                              Burnt hands,

                              that helps a lot about the screws. i was planning to use some 3/8s-16 x1/2 low profile allan head screws.

                              I'm a little concerned with my plates warping but i don't wanna spend too much more on metal since I'm buying it all new. can you see my plates warping? i'm willing to go to 1/2" but it'd have to say that's it

                              that's some pretty good looking art work you got going on there.

                              Andy
                              Dynasty 200DX
                              MillerMatic 211
                              Hypertherm Max 42

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                Andyman,

                                I have not had a problem with my plate warping.
                                This includes my old 34 year table top which is 5/8" thick as well as the new skeleton table pieces.

                                I may have been lucky since I mainly do tig but I believe warping is due more to welding legs or supports to a table top.
                                I welded pieces of 2" x 2" angle to my old table top to allow me to attach legs to it. No warping although I used bolts to attach the legs.

                                Then 33 years later, I ground off the angles so I could put the old table next to my new table. Still no warping.

                                Just took out one of the socket head cap screws (sorry for the earlier wrong description ) to check the threads and found out they are metric!. Another reason to use anti-seize compound as I don't have metric taps.

                                If you want to get a good feeling on how much money you are saving by making your own table, go here:

                                http://www.bluco.com/welding/catalogd16/tables.html

                                When I started my search, I went to this company. Good German Engineering but the 40" x 40" table with 16 mm (5/8") holes was around $7000.00.
                                The fancy bolts for it were about $100 each.

                                Plus the table design is one piece so if you damage it, - big $$$$$$$$$$$$ !
                                In addition, one piece construction means very heavy to move and ship.

                                But for the right application, I guess it is worth it.

                                Good luck with your table.

                                Please post some photos as you go.
                                Miller Dynasty 350, Dynasty 210 DX, Hypertherm 1000, Thermal Arc GTSW400, Airco Heliwelder II, oxy-fuel setup, metal cutting bandsaw, air compressor, drill press, etc.

                                Call me the "Clouseau" of welding !

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X