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  • Give Me a Reason

    Why couldnt there be a spool gun made for a TIG machine?
    It has the power to do the job. It would sure be great to "swap cables"
    and go into MIG mode, as I do for SMAW. But with the capability of making a fast aluminum joint when the job doesn't require the finesse of TIG.

    I know that Miller makes a wire feeder that is compatible with my Syncro....but thats another $1200 or so.

    Sure would be nice.

    P.S. You know I did adapt the Border Patrol's handheld radio (Motorola xts3000) to our (MS National Guard) helicopter ICS/Radio system, when we found out that our Global Wulfsberg radio system wouldn't work...........It only took me a week........wonder how long it would take me to make a Syncro 200 spool gun???
    Last edited by Blackbird455; 03-22-2008, 11:29 PM.

  • #2
    has to do with being CC(constant current) VS CV( constant voltage) of the power source. bummer but there it is.

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    • #3
      Ahh.... Shopmate switches from cc to cv flip a switch and pick up the mig gun.
      You'll have to wait for the spool gun though there are some electronics involved to get a mig to function with CC that's why even on the suitcase X Treme Miller recommends CV whenever possible Other side of that coin is don't use CC unless that the only power source you have.
      But you never know maybe Miller will think about it.

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      • #4
        Man,

        Don't you guys sleep? Why rain on my parade so quickly?
        How do they make a wire feeder that works if there is a CC/CV issue?

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        • #5
          don't know the ins and outs of the circuit but I would manage to guess that in the CC mode it would directly control the wire speed based on the amperage Since the wire feeder would have no way to limit the amperage.
          I know I want to try one to see how well it works with my Syncrowave 200. If it works I'd buy one at half the cost of a MM 252.
          And no we don't sleep. I'm up enjoying my three day weekend after 12 days straight of 10 to 12 hour days. Irish coffee does the trick too
          Kerry

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          • #6
            sleep........ not shore i understand. is that something most people do ? got any instructions or a how to guide, might be worth trying some time.

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            • #7
              fun4now, here is a brief guide to sleeping, it is not nearly as complicated as some people make it out to be.

              Go like ****, until no amount of coffee or Red Bull will keep you awake, then find something flat and somewhat soft to lie down on. A couch or bed are two good choices. Lie down, close your eyes and you will wake up much later still wishing you weren't awake. Try it sometime, it feels nice.

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              • #8
                or...since you take enough pain pills to put an elephant down, try 2x more
                NO!! I'M JOKING!!! Don't want you to overdose!!!!!

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                • #9
                  Actually, you can weld Aluminum on CC with a spoolgun, mind you it is quite diffcult to start. As you are then controlling the Voltage with the wire speed

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Blackbird455 View Post
                    ...How do they make a wire feeder that works if there is a CC/CV issue?
                    I'm not an expert and have never needed to use my Lincoln LN-25 on CC, but supposedly they do adjust the wire speed on the fly instead of constant wirespeed when you are on CV. Also, it's mostly for thicker weldments and big wires, not sheet metal and thin wires.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Blackbird455 View Post
                      Why couldnt there be a spool gun made for a TIG machine?
                      It has the power to do the job. It would sure be great to "swap cables"
                      and go into MIG mode, as I do for SMAW. But with the capability of making a fast aluminum joint when the job doesn't require the finesse of TIG.

                      I know that Miller makes a wire feeder that is compatible with my Syncro....but thats another $1200 or so.

                      Sure would be nice.

                      P.S. You know I did adapt the Border Patrol's handheld radio (Motorola xts3000) to our (MS National Guard) helicopter ICS/Radio system, when we found out that our Global Wulfsberg radio system wouldn't work...........It only took me a week........wonder how long it would take me to make a Syncro 200 spool gun???
                      Heck that is exactly what my WC-115-A is designed to do! I never use it for that tho. And by the time you buy the unit and spoolgun you could have a pretty nice shop mig.
                      Times are changing. I doubt you will ever see miller make a CC/CV small shop machine because they are trully 2 completely different machines.
                      If you must have one go to www.rilandusa.com

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                      • #12
                        There are plenty of feeders on the market from all of the major manufacturers that will work fine on a CC machine. They are 'voltage sensing', in that the wire speed is controlled by sensing the arc voltage, and adjusting the speed to maintain the voltage at the desired value.

                        Not cheap, though. Unless you really need the feature (such as in portable work with a CC only engine drive), a dedicated wire feed machine in the same price range is likely easier to use, and have more features.

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                        • #13
                          sure it's possible to engineer a welder that switches mig/tig seamlessly with various guns, but where's the market for such an (expensive) machine? who's going to pay the premium for all-in-one, when you can just buy two machines, and then have two workstations that you don't have to swap guns/torches?

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                          • #14
                            just grab a MM212

                            best thing to do would be go pick up a new MM212 to go with your Syncro 200 . will make a good reliable set of welders, add the spool gun to the MM212 if ya want and you will be well setup.

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                            • #15
                              The AEC-200 from these people will work with CC or CV with their special box. So you still may be in luck...Bob
                              http://www.weldmart.com/AEC%20SPOOL%20GUN%20MASTER.htm

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