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  • #31
    I usually wait till I see a drop in the flowmeter reading. You have to keep an eye on it when they get this low, otherwise you are going to get stuck with swiss cheese welds.
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    • #32
      What Bert's saying about SCUBA tanks is very true. You always wanted to leave "a little" pressure in the tank to prevent moisture infiltration. In fact, we used to "crack" each tank to insure it had pressure. If not, it required a VIP (visual inspection procedure) to insure that the tank did not contain water, prior to being refilled. Then again, a scuba tank fill was about $2.00 at that time.

      I've never had my LWS check the tanks I brought in for pressure.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Bert View Post
        All you guys mad about what you pay for the price of Argon, this is what we pay here (just called the LWS) JUST FOR GAS ALONE!

        80CF...$117.38
        300CF...$356.54

        Same answer whenever asked: "Well, we had to ship it over here...."
        This is what we pay to live in paradise. If we don't like it, yeah, we could leave. We just deal with it. It's been around 85 degrees the past 30 days, winds 10-15mph.
        Oh well.....
        Yeah , I was waiting on you BERT. I knew you would be borderline irate to see what some of these ppl are calling expensive.
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        • #34
          I understand your question has been answered many times over, but thought I'd just add my recent Ar refill to the list. Three weeks ago I exchanged my "K" size cylinder that was still in hydro (248 cu.ft. @2250psi) at the local P*****r here in San Diego. I paid $82.01 for the gas, $6.95 for the haz.fee, $0.54 for something called "demand charge cylinders" and $6.94 for sales tax. Out-the-door it was $96.44. Yikes! The out-the-door price is up 57% in two years (there didn't used to be a haz. fee or a demand charge cyl. fee). And, that price reflected a 10% discount on the gas!!!
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Dmaxer View Post
            I understand your question has been answered many times over, but thought I'd just add my recent Ar refill to the list. Three weeks ago I exchanged my "K" size cylinder that was still in hydro (248 cu.ft. @2250psi) at the local P*****r here in San Diego. I paid $82.01 for the gas, $6.95 for the haz.fee, $0.54 for something called "demand charge cylinders" and $6.94 for sales tax. Out-the-door it was $96.44. Yikes! The out-the-door price is up 57% in two years (there didn't used to be a haz. fee or a demand charge cyl. fee). And, that price reflected a 10% discount on the gas!!!
            I got my invoice and I am paying about $54 incl. Haz. You need to move back here to Kansas or Missouri. Things are cheaper, but I guess the weather is a fair trade

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            • #36
              Dmaxer,
              Aaawwwww.....you poor thing....
              wait till your houses cost $700,000 for a 3 bedroom, 2 bath 45 year old house with single wall construction on a 6,000 sq ft lot!!!
              And that isn't even in the NICE neighborhoods!!!!!!!!!!!
              I'm not late...
              I'm just on Hawaiian Time

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              • #37
                My argon price sorta varies according to the computer ability of the counterperson...Airgas has some really stupid programming.
                I pay anywhere from $42-$45 a bottle for the 300's.
                Where I worked before they were under $20 for the same size. They were under what is called "contract" price. That was Praxair tho. Airgas got kicked outa there for their stupid antics.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Bert View Post
                  Dmaxer,
                  Aaawwwww.....you poor thing....
                  wait till your houses cost $700,000 for a 3 bedroom, 2 bath 45 year old house with single wall construction on a 6,000 sq ft lot!!!
                  And that isn't even in the NICE neighborhoods!!!!!!!!!!!
                  You haven't seen LA or San Francisco real estate prices lately have you?

                  Single bedroom/bath houses with less space in Watts are going for 400K now.
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                  • #39
                    $400K??? That is what the condos/townhouses were going for 11/2 years ago! Now they average $500,000. Condo in Waikiki in the new towers are going for $850,000 and up (I was on the window wall crew last year). If you are talking a single room and bathroom on it's own small piece of land, say 4,000sq. ft, that's probably around $600,000
                    Sorry Fishy Jim, try again
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                    • #40
                      Bert,

                      But EVERYTHING but sunshine and pineapples has to be SHIPPED to Hawaii.

                      Property values have gone through the roof everywhere. With the housing crash, I suspect things will start to come back in line.

                      Here in VA one 100' waterfront lot (undeveloped except for a pier) was assessed at $205,000 two years ago. Just got notice of the new assessment last week. New assessed value is $480,000. Something's not right with this picture.
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                      • #41
                        Pineapples? sorry, as rediculous as it sounds, most are shipped in from out of state! No, not China
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                        • #42
                          Argon tank prices

                          I paid $32 for my last 336 cu ft tank.

                          2 months ago it cost $28 and I was a little upset but after seeing these prices, I am not complaining.

                          Work in PA but my welding distributor (Superior Welding) is in Pennsauken, NJ.

                          I don't pay haz mat fees and wonder if it might be because I own my tank which I bought from Superior about 33 years ago.

                          I just swap it out for a filled one each time so I don't pay for a hydro.
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                          • #43
                            Latest price at Airgas:

                            I just paid $51 out-the-door for a 125CF refill of C-16 (their version of C-25). He said it would be $96 out-the-door to refill my 250CF, which isn't much of a savings.

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                            • #44
                              Holy cr@p Batman! My last purchase was $42.00 out the door for pure argon 300 size from Airgas.
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                              • #45
                                Bert/Sundowner/

                                Likewise on taking care of scuba tanks, (empty tanks are a NO/NO) I have vis checked many empty tanks and found rust, and the guy was ticked when I told him they would at the least have to be tumbled before I would fill them!
                                Aluminum tanks will corrode and steel will rust (wonder how much rust is in our Welding gas tanks)??

                                I paid $30 for 150cf Argon from Airgas and when I purchased the 330 they told me it would be $40 to fill it (( I will hold them to it)) when I return mine on Thursday---they told me they charge less per CF for the large tank fills here in Vanc WA/Oregon.

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